Hi Bassel, and the CC community,
L.L stands for "Lebanese Lira", and in both English and Arabic.  On the CC
website it has Non-Commercial images for USD, euro, and Japanese Yen, but
not for any Arab currencies ... see:
http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads/

I just made them for Lebanon's currency, and decided to share them with
others (it's easy to make for other Arab countries/currencies, as well, but
I am crunched for time these days and not sleeping much...).  If CC is
interested, it would also be cool to have these (and others) available on
the CC site for others to use (we are trying to facilitate/support CC
adoption in the Arab world, and around the world, right? So might be nice to
offer those images for countries other than US/Europe/Japan).  I made them
exactly to match the standards that CC used already, so they are ready for
CC or others to use along with those other buttons, if interested. (They
might have to exported as a different size or format to provide the full
range of options on the CC site, which is why I sent the photoshop files, as
well).  And heck, I'm not even asking for any attribution.

As for the licenses, I would appreciate a bit of explanation or discussion
on this issue, at least something beyond claiming that there is a gap in my
understanding.  I still think there is a gap in the CC licenses and site,
but I'm curious to learn what other people think.  An example: Joi takes
lots of pictures, and releases most (all?) under CC licenses (I really don't
know numbers, but I know he releases a lot under CC).  He also sometimes
(often?) doesn't insist on attribution for people to use them (I
specifically asked him that for pictures he took of me, if I could use them
for other things without always attributing him), and he said that was
totally fine.

That situation is coming up again, now.  I don't want to insist on
attribution for other people to use these images that I made, but I do want
people to re-release derived images under a CC license.  These are basic
images, but hey... it might encourage some people to save time by using
these for something and releasing CC versus making their own and not using
CC.

Is there a CC license that addresses that situation?  If not, is there a
good reason why not?  Does that seem like a valuable option to offer?

Why does CC offer a license for attribution (not including share-alike), and
not for share-alike (not including attribution)?  It seems to me that each
of the elements should be totally independent of each other, since right now
people are restricted to only certain mixes of those restrictions/options.
- attribution
- share-alike
- commercial/non-commercial
- derivatives/non-derivatives


I'm happy to discuss, hear people's thoughts, feedback, etc... is there an
argument/explanation other than a gap in my understanding?  Or if there is a
gap in my understanding (*which there very well might be*), and from one
long-time CC activist to a community of CC activists, can someone offer some
clarification in order to fill that gap?  Any information, or citations, or
clear explanations or examples (of support, or explaining why I might be
incorrect in the points I outlined) would be greatly appreciated.

Otherwise, and until I hear otherwise, to me it looks like there is a
serious gap in the CC licenses, and I am happy to contribute time/ideas/etc
to see how we can improve the CC licensing system to cover even more
situations, and be a more compelling option for more people to use.

Kind regards,

Munir



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2010/12/5 Bassel Safadi <[email protected]>

> Hey David,
> 1- I don't understand what is the L.L? what is the ل.ل? and what do you
> mean that you recrafted CC logos? do you want to use those new logos instead
> of CC logos?
> 2- all CC licenses require attribution, this is not a gap in the CC site,
> it's a gap in your understanding of the licenses
>
>
> 2010/12/5 David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) <[email protected]>
>
>>  Hey Regional CC Folks!
>> We (at Hibr.me in Lebanon) are working on a big site/outlet redesign
>> effort, and as part of that we have been working on re-crafting our CC
>> logos, efforts, etc.  We are going to be launching some other cool CC
>> tools/stuff in the near future.  We'll keep you posted on that.
>>
>> In the meanwhile, please find attached a number of the logos/etc we
>> designed, recrafted, etc.  They are simple, but hopefully they can be
>> helpful for others.
>>
>> Also, I found a gap on the CC site ... or maybe I'm missing something.  Is
>> there a CC license only for Share-Alike?  I don't want to require
>> attribution, but I would like to require people who use any of this stuff
>> for whatever purpose to also share them CC.  I'm getting increasingly
>> annoyed and radical in my frustrations with "copyright" within civil
>> society, academia, etc...  so working on ways to push CC/sharing/etc
>> whenever possible.
>>
>> For now, I fabricated a "CC-SA" license... but if anyone has another
>> suggestion I'd be happy to re-license these another way.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> DMN
>>
>>
>>
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