Dear Dave thanks so much for raising the issue and for giving the opportunity to clarify this point I know there are a lot of issues related to CC that are not so clear to people, so let me try to explain something Since you gave Joi`s example, Joi licenses all his pics under CC BY which is the generic attribution license, which means you can do everything with his pics at the only condition of attributing the source (which is him). If he told you on a private conversation that you can also use his pics without attributing to him, this is an exception to his license mark that he had individually negotiated with you and he`s free to do it. But generally speaking, CC licenses already state what it is allowed and what it is not: in case of Joi`s pics, everything is allowed at the only condition of attribution. see here for example http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en and then in the same page is clearly written that: * Waiver — Any of the above conditions can be waived<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en#>if you get permission from the copyright holder. *
Another example: if I use CC BY NC (the non commercial one) this doesnt mean that I am against commercial use of my work, this means that if you want to negotiate a commercial use you should talk to me (it`s a private agreement). But the general conditions clearly stated in the license say: no commercial use. If you want to negotiate an exception, talk to me! If you want to allow people to make any possible use of your work and you dont even ask them to attribute the original work to you, then use the Public domain mark http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/ As for share-alike- this means literally "sharing at the same conditions". But this should be combined with something which gives the conditions!There is no such a thing as a CC license (not combined with BY or NC or ND), precisely because CC says "some rights reserved", so you have to state which rights are reserved and then ask the people to share the same way. So the minimum level for share alike is BY, which combines with SA (CC BY SA, which exists indeed , maybe you havent noticed!) which states the following conditions: you can do whatever you want with my work, but you have to attribute me the original work and have to release your derivative work at the same conditions If you dont put any condition, this is public domain, not a CC license! just a public domain mark, different from a license! I dont think there is gap in the licenses,and these have been now discussed for years among lawyers and even in courts, actually there are 6 combinations available which gives pretty much flexibility and a wide range of choice.. but anyway I`m happy to discuss this further if you need thanks and best dona 2010/12/5 David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) <[email protected]> > Hi Bassel, and the CC community, > L.L stands for "Lebanese Lira", and in both English and Arabic. On the CC > website it has Non-Commercial images for USD, euro, and Japanese Yen, but > not for any Arab currencies ... see: > http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads/ > > I just made them for Lebanon's currency, and decided to share them with > others (it's easy to make for other Arab countries/currencies, as well, but > I am crunched for time these days and not sleeping much...). If CC is > interested, it would also be cool to have these (and others) available on > the CC site for others to use (we are trying to facilitate/support CC > adoption in the Arab world, and around the world, right? So might be nice to > offer those images for countries other than US/Europe/Japan). I made them > exactly to match the standards that CC used already, so they are ready for > CC or others to use along with those other buttons, if interested. (They > might have to exported as a different size or format to provide the full > range of options on the CC site, which is why I sent the photoshop files, as > well). And heck, I'm not even asking for any attribution. > > As for the licenses, I would appreciate a bit of explanation or discussion > on this issue, at least something beyond claiming that there is a gap in my > understanding. I still think there is a gap in the CC licenses and site, > but I'm curious to learn what other people think. An example: Joi takes > lots of pictures, and releases most (all?) under CC licenses (I really don't > know numbers, but I know he releases a lot under CC). He also sometimes > (often?) doesn't insist on attribution for people to use them (I > specifically asked him that for pictures he took of me, if I could use them > for other things without always attributing him), and he said that was > totally fine. > > That situation is coming up again, now. I don't want to insist on > attribution for other people to use these images that I made, but I do want > people to re-release derived images under a CC license. These are basic > images, but hey... it might encourage some people to save time by using > these for something and releasing CC versus making their own and not using > CC. > > Is there a CC license that addresses that situation? If not, is there a > good reason why not? Does that seem like a valuable option to offer? > > Why does CC offer a license for attribution (not including share-alike), > and not for share-alike (not including attribution)? It seems to me that > each of the elements should be totally independent of each other, since > right now people are restricted to only certain mixes of those > restrictions/options. > - attribution > - share-alike > - commercial/non-commercial > - derivatives/non-derivatives > > > I'm happy to discuss, hear people's thoughts, feedback, etc... is there an > argument/explanation other than a gap in my understanding? Or if there is a > gap in my understanding (*which there very well might be*), and from one > long-time CC activist to a community of CC activists, can someone offer some > clarification in order to fill that gap? Any information, or citations, or > clear explanations or examples (of support, or explaining why I might be > incorrect in the points I outlined) would be greatly appreciated. > > Otherwise, and until I hear otherwise, to me it looks like there is a > serious gap in the CC licenses, and I am happy to contribute time/ideas/etc > to see how we can improve the CC licensing system to cover even more > situations, and be a more compelling option for more people to use. > > Kind regards, > > Munir > > > > .......................................................... > > > > > 2010/12/5 Bassel Safadi <[email protected]> > > Hey David, >> 1- I don't understand what is the L.L? what is the ل.ل? and what do you >> mean that you recrafted CC logos? do you want to use those new logos instead >> of CC logos? >> 2- all CC licenses require attribution, this is not a gap in the CC site, >> it's a gap in your understanding of the licenses >> >> >> 2010/12/5 David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) <[email protected]> >> >>> Hey Regional CC Folks! >>> We (at Hibr.me in Lebanon) are working on a big site/outlet redesign >>> effort, and as part of that we have been working on re-crafting our CC >>> logos, efforts, etc. We are going to be launching some other cool CC >>> tools/stuff in the near future. We'll keep you posted on that. >>> >>> In the meanwhile, please find attached a number of the logos/etc we >>> designed, recrafted, etc. They are simple, but hopefully they can be >>> helpful for others. >>> >>> Also, I found a gap on the CC site ... or maybe I'm missing something. >>> Is there a CC license only for Share-Alike? I don't want to require >>> attribution, but I would like to require people who use any of this stuff >>> for whatever purpose to also share them CC. I'm getting increasingly >>> annoyed and radical in my frustrations with "copyright" within civil >>> society, academia, etc... so working on ways to push CC/sharing/etc >>> whenever possible. >>> >>> For now, I fabricated a "CC-SA" license... but if anyone has another >>> suggestion I'd be happy to re-license these another way. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> DMN >>> >>> >>> >>> ~~~ >>> David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) || Skype/Twitter: dmnabti || Leb >>> Mobile: +961-3-138-770 || US Mobile: +1-415-355-HIBR (4427) >>> ~~~ >>> • Youth/citizen alternative media in Lebanon (in print, online, in >>> person): www.Hibr.me <http://www.hibr.me/> >>> • Volunteer, and support volunteering, in Lebanon: www.avs.org.lb >>> • Tech, open source, and entrepreneurship for sustainable development: >>> www.therootspace.org >>> • Daily monitoring & translation of news from the Arab World and Iran: >>> www.Mideastwire.com <http://www.mideastwire.com/> >>> ~~~ >>> REMEMBER! Think before you print... And backup often! >>> .......................................................... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> لقد تلقيت هذه الرسالة لأنك مشترك في المجموعة "CC Arab World المشاع >>> الإبداعي" من مجموعات Google. >>> للنشر في هذه المجموعة، أرسل بريدًا إلكترونيًا إلى >>> [email protected] >>> لإلغاء اشتراكك في هذه المجموعة، أرسل رسالة إلكترونية إلى >>> [email protected]<cc-arab-world%[email protected]> >>> . >>> للحصول على مزيد من الخيارات، يمكنك الانتقال إلى هذه المجموعة على العنوان >>> http://groups.google.com/group/cc-arab-world?hl=ar. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bassel Safadi >> http://bassel.ws >> http://aikilab.org >> Global +1 323-545-3855 >> Singapore +65 93488349 >> >> > -- > لقد تلقيت هذه الرسالة لأنك مشترك في المجموعة "CC Arab World المشاع > الإبداعي" من مجموعات Google. > للنشر في هذه المجموعة، أرسل بريدًا إلكترونيًا إلى > [email protected] > لإلغاء اشتراكك في هذه المجموعة، أرسل رسالة إلكترونية إلى > [email protected]<cc-arab-world%[email protected]> > . > للحصول على مزيد من الخيارات، يمكنك الانتقال إلى هذه المجموعة على العنوان > http://groups.google.com/group/cc-arab-world?hl=ar. > -- لقد تلقيت هذه الرسالة لأنك مشترك في المجموعة "CC Arab World المشاع الإبداعي" من مجموعات Google. للنشر في هذه المجموعة، أرسل بريدًا إلكترونيًا إلى [email protected] لإلغاء اشتراكك في هذه المجموعة، أرسل رسالة إلكترونية إلى [email protected]. للحصول على مزيد من الخيارات، يمكنك الانتقال إلى هذه المجموعة على العنوان http://groups.google.com/group/cc-arab-world?hl=ar.
