Marko , The CCIE written is easy if you get the dumps ;) All joking aside the written is no joke. The Beta was a nightmare compared to V3. There's a lot of technologies to take in at once. What I can see with the new direction is more of the questions are going to be multiple choice. Just stay focused and study the blue print. Good luck!
John Spaulding Network Engineer, CCIE #25143 ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of [email protected] [[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 46 Send CCIE_RS mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CCIE_RS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written R&S exam? (Finger Fehler) 2. Re: CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 45 (Mohammad Paracha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:06:42 -0500 From: Finger Fehler <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the written R&S exam? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I seem to have stepped into a topic with a number of differing viewpoints on what it is necessary to study to succeed on the R&S written exam. Summarizing, and at the risk of grouping some opinions that are not exactly the same together, here are roughly the three paths I see people setting out: The "Overkill doesn't hurt anything" Path- Minimal List 1 (Brad, Nick, Tharindu) [5744 pages total + the RFCs]: 1. Routing TCP/IP Vol 1, 2nd ed 2. Routing TCP/IP Vol 2 3. CCIE R&S Exam Cert Guide v4 (Rough Cuts) 4. Developing IP Multicast Networks Vol 1 5. Cisco QOS Exam Certification Guide, 2nd ed 6. MPLS Fundamentals 7. CCNP BCMSN Official Exam Certification Guide, 4th ed 8. a few RFCs (OSPF and some others) The "Save your energy for the lab" Path- Minimal List 2 (Antonio) [1128 pages total]: 1. CCIE R&S Exam Cert Guide v4 (Rough Cuts) The "CCNP is deeper than R&S Written" Path- Minimal List 3 (Matt, Marko) [2784 pages total]: 1. CCNP BSCI Official Exam Certification Guide, 4th ed 2. CCNP BCMSN Official Exam Certification Guide, 4th ed 3. CCNP ISCW Official Exam Certification Guide 4. CCNP ONT Official Exam Certification Guide 5. only 1st half of MPLS Fundamentals Have I got it right? Anyone else have a different idea for a path or feel one of these could be tweaked? Clearly list #1 is the most thorough, but list 2 is the shortest/quickest by a factor of five! haha! Anyone have a sense of the likelihood of success on just the written exam if I take the "Save your energy for the lab" path with only reading the CCIE R&S Exam Cert Guide? (Of course with the open ended questions on the lab, I know that between written and lab, there will have to be a lot of studying for both breadth and depth.) -Jack On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi < [email protected]> wrote: > Add > > BCMSN Official Exam Certification Guide too .... > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:20 AM, nicholas golden <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I have all of my CCNP material, (CBT nuggets, Trainsignal, cisco press >> books etc) and I know that material very well, at least I think I do. >> However, since most people experiences are with V3.0 blueprint, it's hard to >> say how that will translate over to v4 exam. I hear it's different now, but >> hard to say for me since I have no experience with either v3 or v4 exam. >> >> Matt does bring a very valid point - the breadth of the material covered. >> That's a good point. I remember when I took the ccna (the single test route) >> that it covered a variety of stuff and I found it really not deep on the >> basic concepts. Deep meaning that, I know it's CCNA material, but they >> didn't dive to the border of the information - hope that makes sense? >> >> In contrast to the 2 test option of the CCNA, I heard that from one person >> I know who did the 2 test option and the one test option (Got a free >> voucher, so he said why not wanted to see what it was like) and even he said >> the 2 test route was a LOT more deep on knowledge vs the one test option. >> >> Matt is also right (You are on a roll Matt haha) on the CCNP stuff too. >> Each test could really go deep on that particular subject. I remember the >> BSCI was HEAVY on OSPF and BGP with some EIGRP sprinkled throughout. ISCW, >> was heavy on security, BCMSN heavy on switching, and ONT was heavy on QOS >> and MPLS. >> >> So I guess since the CCIE RS written regardless of being v3 or 4 there is >> a lot of material to cover so maybe I too should not be going to the bottom >> of the deepest oceans to learn this material, at least for the written. >> >> Very interesting, just get scared by spending $350 which is a ton of money >> to me right now being unemployed, and my benefits run out in 2 weeks. I >> guess that is really my issue like a lot of CCIE's out there - cold hard >> cash. >> >> Phew, long post but relevant I hope. Matt makes good points - so I'll >> think about that. >> >> -Nick >> >> --- On *Tue, 11/10/09, Matt Hill <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Matt Hill <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the written >> R&S exam? >> To: "Antonio Dee" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList" <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:48 PM >> >> >> Still got you CCNP books? >> >> Use them. Remember CCIE Written is easy... It covers breadth not the >> depth covered in each CCNP exam. If you know the depth to CCNP level, it is >> FAR more than what is required for CCIE written. >> >> On top of that, first half of MPLS fundamentals for the MPLS stuff. >> >> Cheers, >> Matt >> >> CCIE #22386 >> CCSI #31207 >> >> 2009/11/11 Antonio Dee >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >>> When I took my written exam, i just studied one book, that's it. CCIE RS >>> Written Study Guide of Cisco press. It was still on version 3. >>> >>> I know version 4 is coming out, i would suggest, stick with that one book >>> and get that written out of the way. >>> >>> Doyle's TCP/IP Vol 1 , Vol2, Qos and the Old DQOS , Firewall Security, >>> etc books came in very handy during the preparation of the lab exam which >>> you need to have as complementary resource materials. >>> >>> Don't overburden yourself for the written, save up your energy for the >>> lab preparation later on :-) >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Antonio Dee >>> CCIE #25609 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:58:43 -0800 >>> From: [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>; >>> [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the written >>> R&S exam? >>> >>> This really is a debatable subject. I for one really don't like >>> reading books, and I understand so much better doing a configuration and >>> breaking it apart. I will read the theory and understand what's happening >>> behind the scenes but really for me to understand it I need to implement it >>> and see what happens in the routing table, or switch or whatever. >>> >>> Joe A. commented that he's a "great book learner" and I don't share that >>> same view for myself. I have doyle's 1 and 2 and the CCIE rs v3 (pdf only) >>> and I am waiting for the v4 to come out (they sure taking time with it, >>> should have been out already!) and I have read 70% of those books. I would >>> understand some things, but until I saw it in action - it didn't "click" >>> >>> I will say that those books (the 2 bibles of doyle, the ccie rs cert >>> guide 4th ed) along with QOS and multicast sounds like they would be good. >>> However, what about MPLS fundamentals? That's a good one to have since there >>> will be MPLS vpn in there as well. >>> >>> Also I recommend the vendor neutral material such as RFC's to understand >>> how a protocol is supposed to work vs what the vendor specific flavor or >>> "tweaks" that a vendor adds onto it. This helped me a out a ton, especially >>> with OSPF, which I was strong on already but recently read the RFC and now I >>> really have a great picture of the ins and out's of it. >>> >>> Also with all of that said - let me backtrack and say that Joe A. Also >>> pointed out that this is really more of the "ins and outs" of the technology >>> and how it works rather than the implementation of these technologies from a >>> configuration perspective. >>> >>> HOWEVER, I can add that he also took the v3 blueprint, not the v4 so I >>> don't know how the scope changed as far as the type of questions they ask >>> now. >>> >>> So 3.5 cents worth of information, 2 cents was not enough. Hope it helps >>> in some way! >>> >>> -Nick >>> >>> PS. Still have not heard of who has passed the v4 blueprint lab? I keep >>> asking and no one responds :( I guess everyone is failing or hasn't taken it >>> yet? >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 11/10/09, Finger Fehler >>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Finger Fehler >>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the written >>> R&S exam? >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:46 AM >>> >>> Thanks Brad. Do you think the QOS Exam Certification Guide is needed >>> for the R&S written exam? >>> >>> Also, are the lab workbooks really needed for the written exam? I was >>> planning on preparing for the lab exam only after I pass the written exam. >>> >>> -Jack >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Brad Edgeworth < >>> [email protected]<http:///mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I think you can ignore those on your ignore list, but I would add: >>> >>> Developing IP Multicast Networks >>> Cisco QOS Exam Certification Guide >>> >>> And lab workbooks. >>> ________________________________ >>> From: >>> [email protected]<http:///mc/[email protected]>[ >>> [email protected]<http:///mc/[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of Finger Fehler >>> [[email protected]<http:///mc/[email protected]> >>> ] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 PM >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http:///mc/[email protected]> >>> Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the written R&S >>> exam? >>> >>> What is the minimal set of study materials for passing the written R&S >>> exam? >>> >>> I'm looking at just studying from only these 3: >>> Routing TCP/IP Vol 1, 2nd ed >>> Routing TCP/IP Vol 2 >>> CCIE R&S Exam Cert Guide v4 (Rough Cuts) >>> >>> Can I ignore the: >>> Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols >>> CCIE R&S Exam Quick Reference? >>> >>> Am I going to flunk the written exam if I don't read these last 2? >>> Anything else essential that I left off the list? >>> >>> -Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Check out The Great Australian Pay Check now Want to know what your boss >>> is paid? <http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> > > > -- > Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://onlinestudylist.com/pipermail/ccie_rs/attachments/20091111/73788240/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mohammad Paracha <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 45 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CCIE is not easy whether it is written or lab. Passing a written exam is a passport to sit for a lab. CCIE written covers all the concepts. Most of the questions are scenario based which requires thinking.?Question related to AD?distance, I got it wrong. The way questions are put forward in CCIE written is different from CCNP. CCNP I think is more memorization, where as CCIE written?requires analytical thinking. If it that easy, then there might be more than 100,000 CCIE. Ooh yes, if you purchase practice test? then I am sure it is easy ;) ? When I studied for CCIE, I started with the "Routing First Step". Good foundation book, similar to college freshman or junior level book. I think Jeff Doyles book is more than enough to study for Routing and multicast section. For Switching, I would read Cisco website or LAN Switching by Clark Kennedy ? ? --- On Wed, 11/11/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 45 To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:40 AM Send CCIE_RS mailing list submissions to ??? [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at ??? [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CCIE_RS digest..." Today's Topics: ???1. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written??? R&S exam? ? ? ? (Marko Milivojevic) ???2. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written??? R&S exam? ? ? ? (Kim Pedersen) ???3. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written??? R&S exam? ? ? ? (Matt Hill) ???4. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written??? R&S exam? ? ? ? (Kim Pedersen) ???5. Re: Minimal set of books for passing the written??? R&S exam? ? ? ? (Jeffrey W. Hall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:33:09 +0000 From: Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the ??? written??? R&S exam? To: "Jeffrey W. Hall" <[email protected]> Cc: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> Message-ID: ??? <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29, Jeffrey W. Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marko, I obviously have a great deal of respect for your intelligence level > and accomplishments, so while I won?t apologize for what I said, I do > sincerely apologize for HOW I said it. No offense taken about either, whatsoever! We all make mistakes from time to time, I probably made a mistake claiming that something easy, when it clearly is not. I'm sure that brain surgeons would say that brain surgery is a breeze, yet so many of us would disagree. It was wrong on my end. I *will* apologize for that :-). Now, get back to the easy stuff ;-) -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert Mailto: [email protected] Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Live Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat eFax: +1.810.454.0130 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:42:34 +0100 From: Kim Pedersen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the ??? written??? R&S exam? To: Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> Cc: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> Message-ID: ??? <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Marko, ? I also respect you, dont get me wrong. But i will say that its very detriment to the study progress of your paying students to say something is easy. My written was V3, and i can clearly say that there are technologies being tested in a different fashion than on CCNP exams. Look at it from our point of view. I purchased a service from IPexpert (the BLS), to use for the entire path from CCNP -> CCIE. I failed the written once, and am now being told that the exam was easy and that it should have been a breeze. Okay, so now i must say my motivation to keep at it is at an all time low. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]>wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29, Jeffrey W. Hall <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Marko, I obviously have a great deal of respect for your intelligence > level > > and accomplishments, so while I won?t apologize for what I said, I do > > sincerely apologize for HOW I said it. > > No offense taken about either, whatsoever! We all make mistakes from > time to time, I probably made a mistake claiming that something easy, > when it clearly is not. > > I'm sure that brain surgeons would say that brain surgery is a breeze, > yet so many of us would disagree. It was wrong on my end. I *will* > apologize for that :-). > > Now, get back to the easy stuff ;-) > > -- > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 > Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert > > Mailto: [email protected] > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 > Live Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat > eFax: +1.810.454.0130 > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > -- // Freedom Matters // Follow my progress on http://kpjungle.wordpress.com // Cell (:)): +45 51386623 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://onlinestudylist.com/pipermail/ccie_rs/attachments/20091111/f8812c7c/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:08:26 +1100 From: Matt Hill <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the ??? written??? R&S exam? To: Kim Pedersen <[email protected]> Cc: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> Message-ID: ??? <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I still think that CCIE written is easier than any CCNP exam - due to breadth vs depth like I said earlier.... If someone said to me "I bet you $100 to sit a Cisco exam of your choice above CCNA level, pass you get $100, fail you give me $100" I would choose a CCIE written for that reason.? Others may choose differently as they may be an expert in a particular field or for whatever other reason...? But thats my opinion... Maybe because with my job I need to stand in front of people and talk about all sorts of things and know the answer to any question I get... Everyone's different. Cheers, Matt CCIE #22386 CCSI #31207 2009/11/11 Kim Pedersen <[email protected]>: > Marko, > > ? I also respect you, dont get me wrong. But i will say that its very > detriment to the study progress of your paying students to say something is > easy. My written was V3, and i can clearly say that there are technologies > being tested in a different fashion than on CCNP exams. Look at it from our > point of view. I purchased a service from IPexpert (the BLS), to use for the > entire path from CCNP -> CCIE. I failed the written once, and am now being > told that the exam was easy and that it should have been a breeze. Okay, so > now i must say my motivation to keep at it is at an all time low. > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29, Jeffrey W. Hall <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Marko, I obviously have a great deal of respect for your intelligence >> > level >> > and accomplishments, so while I won?t apologize for what I said, I do >> > sincerely apologize for HOW I said it. >> >> No offense taken about either, whatsoever! We all make mistakes from >> time to time, I probably made a mistake claiming that something easy, >> when it clearly is not. >> >> I'm sure that brain surgeons would say that brain surgery is a breeze, >> yet so many of us would disagree. It was wrong on my end. I *will* >> apologize for that :-). >> >> Now, get back to the easy stuff ;-) >> >> -- >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert >> >> Mailto: [email protected] >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 >> Live Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat >> eFax: +1.810.454.0130 >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > -- > // Freedom Matters > // Follow my progress on http://kpjungle.wordpress.com > // Cell (:)): +45 51386623 > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:31:35 +0100 From: Kim Pedersen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Minimal set of books for passing the ??? written??? R&S exam? To: Matt Hill <[email protected]> Cc: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> Message-ID: ??? <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Obviously with your current status (CCIE certified), you have gone through the motions to become a CCIE. Look at it from our point of view, not having made it to the top yet. Then it might be alot harder than you make it out to be. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Matt Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > I still think that CCIE written is easier than any CCNP exam - due to > breadth vs depth like I said earlier.... > > If someone said to me "I bet you $100 to sit a Cisco exam of your > choice above CCNA level, pass you get $100, fail you give me $100" I > would choose a CCIE written for that reason.? Others may choose > differently as they may be an expert in a particular field or for > whatever other reason...? But thats my opinion... > > Maybe because with my job I need to stand in front of people and talk > about all sorts of things and know the answer to any question I get... >? Everyone's different. > > Cheers, > Matt > > CCIE #22386 > CCSI #31207 > > 2009/11/11 Kim Pedersen <[email protected]>: > > Marko, > > > >???I also respect you, dont get me wrong. But i will say that its very > > detriment to the study progress of your paying students to say something > is > > easy. My written was V3, and i can clearly say that there are > technologies > > being tested in a different fashion than on CCNP exams. Look at it from > our > > point of view. I purchased a service from IPexpert (the BLS), to use for > the > > entire path from CCNP -> CCIE. I failed the written once, and am now > being > > told that the exam was easy and that it should have been a breeze. Okay, > so > > now i must say my motivation to keep at it is at an all time low. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29, Jeffrey W. Hall <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Marko, I obviously have a great deal of respect for your intelligence > >> > level > >> > and accomplishments, so while I won?t apologize for what I said, I do > >> > sincerely apologize for HOW I said it. > >> > >> No offense taken about either, whatsoever! We all make mistakes from > >> time to time, I probably made a mistake claiming that something easy, > >> when it clearly is not. > >> > >> I'm sure that brain surgeons would say that brain surgery is a breeze, > >> yet so many of us would disagree. It was wrong on my end. I *will* > >> apologize for that :-). > >> > >> Now, get back to the easy stuff ;-) > >> > >> -- > >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 > >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert > >> > >> Mailto: [email protected] > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 > >> Live Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat > >> eFax: +1.810.454.0130 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please > >> visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > > > -- > > // Freedom Matters > > // Follow my progress on http://kpjungle.wordpress.com > > // Cell (:)): +45 51386623 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > > -- // Freedom Matters // Follow my progress on http://kpjungle.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe this forum? could use a little less CCIE input, except for those that still know? how to relate to the realities of those newer than you are going? through. Jeff Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:08 AM, Matt Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > I still think that CCIE written is easier than any CCNP exam - due to > breadth vs depth like I said earlier.... > > If someone said to me "I bet you $100 to sit a Cisco exam of your > choice above CCNA level, pass you get $100, fail you give me $100" I > would choose a CCIE written for that reason.? Others may choose > differently as they may be an expert in a particular field or for > whatever other reason...? But thats my opinion... > > Maybe because with my job I need to stand in front of people and talk > about all sorts of things and know the answer to any question I get... > Everyone's different. > > Cheers, > Matt > > CCIE #22386 > CCSI #31207 > > 2009/11/11 Kim Pedersen <[email protected]>: >> Marko, >> >>???I also respect you, dont get me wrong. But i will say that its very >> detriment to the study progress of your paying students to say? >> something is >> easy. My written was V3, and i can clearly say that there are? >> technologies >> being tested in a different fashion than on CCNP exams. Look at it? >> from our >> point of view. I purchased a service from IPexpert (the BLS), to? >> use for the >> entire path from CCNP -> CCIE. I failed the written once, and am? >> now being >> told that the exam was easy and that it should have been a breeze.? >> Okay, so >> now i must say my motivation to keep at it is at an all time low. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29, Jeffrey W. Hall <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Marko, I obviously have a great deal of respect for your? >>>> intelligence >>>> level >>>> and accomplishments, so while I won?t apologize for what I sai >>>> d, I do >>>> sincerely apologize for HOW I said it. >>> >>> No offense taken about either, whatsoever! We all make mistakes from >>> time to time, I probably made a mistake claiming that something? >>> easy, >>> when it clearly is not. >>> >>> I'm sure that brain surgeons would say that brain surgery is a? >>> breeze, >>> yet so many of us would disagree. It was wrong on my end. I *will* >>> apologize for that :-). >>> >>> Now, get back to the easy stuff ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 >>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert >>> >>> Mailto: [email protected] >>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 >>> Live Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat >>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,? >>> please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> >> -- >> // Freedom Matters >> // Follow my progress on http://kpjungle.wordpress.com >> // Cell (:)): +45 51386623 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,? >> please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,? > please visit www.ipexpert.com End of CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 45 *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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