We do, as Wayne very early on in this discussion wrote and I repeatedly said every couple of months when this discussion flares up.
There are many challenges to offer shorter sessions, amongst which many are cost and business decisions some of which Wayne also explained. -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 :: This message was sent from a mobile device. I apologize for errors and brevity. :: On Jun 9, 2012, at 0:58, Marian Franc <[email protected]> wrote: > George, > > let me tell you, you are not, as anyone else here a point of reference to me. > I have not started this topic because I wanted to compare and assess people, > but because I am asking for better customer service as I am The customer of > IPX (and not yours) so I got the right asking for that. > > The main reason for 4 hour timeslots for me, as for many people who responded > directly to me or for those who had the courage to copy also the R&S forum, > is that I want to be exercising 1-2 exercises from the workbook per the vrack > session, which are not mocklabs, just to practice a specific technology, > without having to waste the rest of the paid 8hour slot. If you George do not > get it, and do not want to understand, I do not mind. What I do care of is > whether my service provider (IPX) does understand mine and others needs. > > Marian > > Odoslané z iPadu / Sent from iPad > > Dňa 9.6.2012, o 6:29, [email protected] napísal: > >> Send CCIE_RS mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CCIE_RS digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: vrack time slots availability (George Leslie) >> 2. Re: vrack time slots availability (Jay McMickle) >> 3. Re: vrack time slots availability (Marko Milivojevic) >> 4. active vlan (oo IPX) >> 5. Re: vrack time slots availability (Tom Kacprzynski) >> 6. Re: active vlan (Marko Milivojevic) >> 7. Re: active vlan (Bob McCouch) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:56:36 +0000 >> From: George Leslie <[email protected]> >> To: IPExpert Study List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> My we have a lot of moaning minnies on the forum of late. >> >> So thought I?d pitch in my 2p worth (which is about 3 cents >> to all you in the US!) >> >> I personally like 8 hours slots (ok 7h 45 min). Not 4 hours lots, 8 hour. >> IPExpert?s mission in life is to prepare us >> for the real CCIE lab exam. It is 8 >> hours in length. Not offering (close to) >> 8 hour slots would be a failure in that mission. They would then be faced >> with a mass of >> complaints about how having only 4 hour slots is not a realistic >> representation >> of the real lab. >> >> You see their dilemma? >> In the space of a few days, they have had people complain that 8 hours >> are too long and then some turn around and complains about losing 15 minutes >> at >> the end of the lab. They cannot cater >> for everyone. So, their choice is to >> give you as close possible to lab experience given the tidy up time. >> >> When you all bought your BLSs or rack time, you ALL KNEW >> what you were buying. Don?t turn around and >> complain about it now. >> >> For those of you that want 4 hour slots: >> >> Use GNS, buy your own kit from EBay, borrow some pieces from >> work, or use one of the many other vendors who offer smaller timeslots. You >> have more options than IPExpert. Or, put two 4 hour slots back to back and >> use >> an 8 hour session. >> >> For those from Europe that have complained about the start >> times, grow up. I?m in the UK, and 5 >> hours behind Proctor Labs start times. >> My start times are 05:00, 13:00 or 21:00. I use 13:00 if I can, or 05:00 if >> I >> must. All you lot east of here have an >> extra one or two hours earlier in bed compared to me, yet you are still >> complaining?. >> >> For those of you that want the 8h 15, I?m sorry, but 24 hrs >> divided by 8 hours 15 does not end up in an whole number. If that 15 >> minutes is so important to you, >> then start your lab 15 minutes before your proctor labs session starts, for >> your >> read through, your diagrams etc. Or >> start it 30 minutes earlier if you need to. >> Or do the layer 2 section by doing offline scripts in notepad that you >> can merely paste into the switches to save time typing at the command >> line. So many ways to save the 15 minutes. >> >> Time keeping is part of the CCIE discipline, and this >> teaches you some. >> >> To bods at IPExpert/Protcor Labs: don?t listen! You have it right! >> >> Regards, George. >> >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:52:51 -0700 >>> To: [email protected] >>> CC: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Josh Atterbury >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours :) >>> >>> Honestly, if someone can finish all the Volume 2 and Volume 3 labs in >>> under 8 hours, I'd be beyond impressed. Those 15 minutes really don't >>> change anything. >>> >>> We *could* offer 8 hour time slots, but then it will be students' >>> responsibility to clean up the pod they work on. We have had this long >>> time ago. Didn't work :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>> >>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:01:49 -0500 >> From: Jay McMickle <[email protected]> >> To: Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I agree with the scripted cleanup. Why not have a 15 minute gap between >> session availability and not eat into a students paid 8 hour timeslot? >> >> This will be even more of an issue with the 4 hour slots you are creating. ;) >> >> Regards, >> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S) >> Sent from iJay >> >> On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Josh Atterbury >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours :) >>> >>> Honestly, if someone can finish all the Volume 2 and Volume 3 labs in >>> under 8 hours, I'd be beyond impressed. Those 15 minutes really don't >>> change anything. >>> >>> We *could* offer 8 hour time slots, but then it will be students' >>> responsibility to clean up the pod they work on. We have had this long >>> time ago. Didn't work :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>> >>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:42:45 -0700 >> From: Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >> To: Jay McMickle <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability >> Message-ID: >> <cagdym0xbf947eqb36o-taafwjhcjxo-qzlhtgzwsc72hhdh...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> The only difference would be eating at the beginning and not at the >> end. Besides, we're not eating up session times. ProctorLab session >> times are sold as 7:45, unless you have back-to-back sessions, in >> which case they are 15:45. >> >> -- >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Jay McMickle <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I agree with the scripted cleanup. Why not have a 15 minute gap between >>> session availability and not eat into a students paid 8 hour timeslot? >>> >>> This will be even more of an issue with the 4 hour slots you are creating. >>> ;) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S) >>> Sent from iJay >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Josh Atterbury >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours :) >>>> >>>> Honestly, if someone can finish all the Volume 2 and Volume 3 labs in >>>> under 8 hours, I'd be beyond impressed. Those 15 minutes really don't >>>> change anything. >>>> >>>> We *could* offer 8 hour time slots, but then it will be students' >>>> responsibility to clean up the pod they work on. We have had this long >>>> time ago. Didn't work :-) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>>> >>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>>> >>>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:33:25 +0530 >> From: oo IPX <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] active vlan >> Message-ID: >> <CAGyfWF=cEYW-E2dOfvr8--PBTYZu8HiS7eLayVGoxhOvu=n...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> say a switch is configured as >> >> vlan 2 >> vlan 3 >> vlan 4 >> vlan 5 >> vlan 7 >> vlan 10 >> exit >> ! >> and there are interfaces in access mode, assigned to vlan 2,3,4,5 only. >> >> which vlans would be active vlans ? >> and there are trunks configured allowing the vlans >> >> Regards >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:45:02 -0500 >> From: Tom Kacprzynski <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability >> Message-ID: >> <CAPFZH4CyyBienEXtmt5wOwr_N_6mD_zMuXLYXG3YhKeNCFfw=a...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> This is the last statement I will make on this. If a company has customers >> that would like w,x,y,z, why is the company giving them x and saying you >> don't need w,y,z? (Or in this case have other customers telling other >> customer that they only need x). I hope this analogy makes sense. >> >> It's a business decision not a technical issue. Just a suggestion, nothing >> to keep on going back and forth about endlessly and argue. >> >> Thanks, now back to studying :) >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The only difference would be eating at the beginning and not at the >>> end. Besides, we're not eating up session times. ProctorLab session >>> times are sold as 7:45, unless you have back-to-back sessions, in >>> which case they are 15:45. >>> >>> -- >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Jay McMickle <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> I agree with the scripted cleanup. Why not have a 15 minute gap between >>> session availability and not eat into a students paid 8 hour timeslot? >>>> >>>> This will be even more of an issue with the 4 hour slots you are >>> creating. ;) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S) >>>> Sent from iJay >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Josh Atterbury >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours >>> :) >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, if someone can finish all the Volume 2 and Volume 3 labs in >>>>> under 8 hours, I'd be beyond impressed. Those 15 minutes really don't >>>>> change anything. >>>>> >>>>> We *could* offer 8 hour time slots, but then it will be students' >>>>> responsibility to clean up the pod they work on. We have had this long >>>>> time ago. Didn't work :-) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>> please visit www.ipexpert.com >>>>> >>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>>>> >>>>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>> >>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 21:27:27 -0700 >> From: Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >> To: oo IPX <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] active vlan >> Message-ID: >> <cagdym0ye5bngrb0jwv-gfy0j3d2c7ddu81yiykds4g4usuk...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> All the VLANs will be active, if there are trunks that allow them. >> >> -- >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >> >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, oo IPX <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> say a switch is configured as >>> >>> vlan 2 >>> vlan 3 >>> vlan 4 >>> vlan 5 >>> vlan 7 >>> vlan 10 >>> exit >>> ! >>> and there are interfaces in access mode, assigned to vlan 2,3,4,5 only. >>> >>> which vlans would be active vlans ? >>> and there are trunks configured allowing the vlans >>> >>> Regards >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >>> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >>> >>> http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:29:31 -0400 >> From: Bob McCouch <[email protected]> >> To: oo IPX <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] active vlan >> Message-ID: <-347117254495733515@unknownmsgid> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> If you're asking about the output from a "show vlan" I believe a VLAN >> will always show "active" unless you configure the VLAN with the >> 'state suspended' command which will disable traffic forwarding on the >> VLAN throughout the VTP domain or the 'shutdown' command which >> disables forwarding on the VLAN locally on that switch. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:32 PM, oo IPX <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> say a switch is configured as >>> >>> vlan 2 >>> vlan 3 >>> vlan 4 >>> vlan 5 >>> vlan 7 >>> vlan 10 >>> exit >>> ! >>> and there are interfaces in access mode, assigned to vlan 2,3,4,5 only. >>> >>> which vlans would be active vlans ? >>> and there are trunks configured allowing the vlans >>> >>> Regards >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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