according to literature,see below and references 
http://www.px.nsls.bnl.gov/courses/papers/ZD_EG_papers.html,
it is not clear that liq. propane plunged item would cool 
faster. (whilst i havent tested this)...  

Would anyone have actual experimental data with protein crystals
on the hyperquenching suggested by 
Warkentin, V. Berejnov, and R. E. Thorne, J. Appl. Cryst. (2006) 39,
805-811. (no diffraction data in the paper). in particular with 
small samples.

thanks,
Tommi

Quoting Petr Leiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> >> yes you are right, but I assumed if people see a cloud of condensed
> >> fog over their LN2 bath they should remove that by
> >> a) filling up the bowl completely e.g. some LN2 drips out of the bowl
> >> b) blow the fog away before you dip
> 
> I think the original poster meant the relatively low heat conduction of 
> liquid N2, which causes boiling around the crystal immediately after 
> plunging.
> 
> The best way to freeze things is to put a small container of liquid
> ethane 
> or propane into a liquid N2 bowl, and plunge into the ethane/propane
> (this 
> methods was suggested earlier).
> 
> Petr
> 
> 


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