pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore, but there is no need to give it bad name. And you can use colors a-la-matrix :)
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 20:40 +0200, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote: > Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :) > > Flip > > On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote: > > I agree to this. > > What are the actual reasons against attachments? > > If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of > > POP3 > > (if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the > > emails > > until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), would > > it > > be a compromise to restrict image sizes to e.g. 500kB? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote: > >> My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed: > >> 1) Storage& network bandwidth is cheap > >> 2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding the > >> question/issue at hand > >> 3) Emails are very easily deleted > >> 4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links, then it may not be > >> possible to refer to them appropriately in the archives if the images > >> are ever removed from the hosting server. - it seems to me that the > >> archive of the bb is an excellent resource, but is diminished if the > >> content can not be maintained centrally. > >> > >> -Doug > >> > >> On 7/2/2010 11:04 AM, Frances C. Bernstein wrote: > >>> Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page > >>> and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails > >>> are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy > >>> access. > >>> > >>> Frances Bernstein > >>> > >>> ===================================================== > >>> **** Bernstein + Sons > >>> * * Information Systems Consultants > >>> **** 5 Brewster Lane, Bellport, NY 11713-2803 > >>> * * *** > >>> **** * Frances C. Bernstein > >>> * *** f...@bernstein-plus-sons.com > >>> *** * > >>> * *** 1-631-286-1339 FAX: 1-631-286-1999 > >>> ===================================================== > >>> > >>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Tim Gruene wrote: > >>> > >>>> Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to > >>>> thousands of > >>>> people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net > >>>> traffic. > >>>> > >>>> There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem > >>>> connections, > >>>> which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of > >>>> people nowadays, > >>>> and there are plenty of mail user agents which do not have a > >>>> paperclip button, > >>>> e.g. mutt, pine, etc, which address the very same problem. > >>>> > >>>> It's is a lot easier to show a jpg-image a few kB in size than to > >>>> attempt to > >>>> describe what you see with words. > >>>> > >>>> Anyhow, the FAQ > >>>> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats) the > >>>> CCP4 netiquette (http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/ccp4bb.php#using) refers to > >>>> explicitly > >>>> allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and am > >>>> extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore. > >>>> > >>>> Again: maybe it's time to update the CCP4 netiquette. > >>>> > >>>> Tim > >>>> > >>>> P.S.: I wonder how much traffic this email will induce ;-) > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:33:01AM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote: > >>>>> Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross eyed > >>>>> stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky > >>>>> for me, I can just recycle the old messages: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk/msg11949.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers from the self-appointed thought police, > >>>>> > >>>>> Ed. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling." > >>>>> Julian, King of Lemurs > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -- > >>>> Tim Gruene > >>>> Institut fuer anorganische Chemie > >>>> Tammannstr. 4 > >>>> D-37077 Goettingen > >>>> > >>>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > -- Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor University of Maryland, Baltimore ---------------------------------------------- When the Way is forgotten duty and justice appear; Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy. When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise; When a nation falls to chaos then loyalty and patriotism are born. ------------------------------ / Lao Tse /
