While I have as keen an interest in Russian history as the next person, I personally feel that this thread has travelled far enough from CCP4 and crystallography to warrant moving any further discussion in this vein to another forum.

On Aug 25, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote:

I don't see what George's attempt to point out that pure-phenix
questions should be asked in phenix bb (and the point itself may be
subject to different opinions) has to do with renaming Moscow streets
and subway stations (unless you thought that the proposition to rename
ccp4bb is serious).

You do realize that most of the renamed streets existed prior to 1917
and were renamed by Bolsheviks at some point to honor the ideology and
group of people who committed the most massive atrocity in the history
of humankind?  The comprehensive list of renamed streets can be found
here

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9434.2005.00371.x/abstract

and except for occasional writer with anti-monarchy leanings or
anarchist we are talking about representatives of the first class mass
murder machine.  I sincerely hope you are not allergic to changing
Dzerzhinsky square back to Lubyanka (which name people used anyway).

Cheers,

Ed.

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 14:38 -0700, Pavel Afonine wrote:
Hey Garib,

LOL... no of course, I was just saying that I'm a bit allergic to
re-naming well established things, and some other people may be too -:)
Why don't we rename you Mr. Refmac -:) ?

Pavel.


On 8/25/10 2:25 PM, Garib Murshudov wrote:
Are you suggesting ccp4 is collapsing and people are coming back to
the original source?


Garib

On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:17, Pavel Afonine wrote:

On 8/25/10 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote:
I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and
CCP4) Bulletin Board".

Sounds too Russian: after collapse of USSR many street names in
Moscow, as well as metro station names, were renamed back to their
"original" names they had almost one generation ago (70+ years) -:)

All the best!
Pavel.

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