But the amount of time spent on turning a protein into a publishable structural 
data is pretty much same, if not larger. There are no low hanging fruits any 
more. 

On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Frank von Delft wrote:

> Is it too much to dream that Tom has set a trail-blazing precedent and 
> demonstrated to us all how unnecessary it is be anal about our oh-so-precious 
> data and structures that in the year 2013 are almost completely useless 
> without a huge dollop of other experimental data...?
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/03/2013 18:32, Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
>> I think it will be the first time in 15 years I will disagree with Tim.
>> 
>> I personally  found the posting of Tom van der Bergh irritatingly 
>> disrespectful in many levels.
>> 
>> 1. It does not respect my mailbox capacity
>> 2. It does not respect CCP4 developers posting output from phenix.refine
>> 3. It does not respect his supervisors and colleagues who (right now) look 
>> like fools (to me)
>> 4. It does not respect himself, as I actually suspect he is a proactive 
>> motivated student who came out as a bit of a fool
>> 
>> These said, I am rather easily irritated these days, so I will not comment 
>> on the irritable character of the email.
>> 
>> As for the answers, some were funny, some were informative, some funny and 
>> informative.
>> Not too much political correctness please, because we will soon start 
>> calling disordered loops
>> positionally challenged polypeptide segments (*).
>> 
>> Tassos
>> 
>> (*) joke stolen from Thomas Schneider talk @Stanford, 1998. What a great 
>> meeting...!
>> 
>>> Dear so-far-posters,
>>> 
>>> I do not know Tom Van den Bergh, nor do I know his background, nor the
>>> history of the data, nor the reasons why he may have sent it to this
>>> list (although I think he did it to ask for help), but I find these
>>> answers irritatingly disrespectful and nasty.
>>> 
>>> No regards to the ones addressed,
>>> Tim

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