Will Cooke wrote " although surely some people used it for normal machine code "
Anyone without knowledge of microcode, in the sense it is being discussed here, since at least the mid 70's would assume you were talking about code for a 6800, PIC or whatever uP/uC. Saying "I have just upissued the microcode" is quite a good differentiator of folks computing knowledge. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Will Cooke via cctalk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 May 2025 21:52 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: [cctalk] Re: Wang TTL BASIC From all I have seen, Maurice Wilkes is considered the inventor of "microcode" as we know it. In the linked paper from 1951 he uses the term "micro-programme", so I think it is safe to say microcode was used in the same way in the 70s as it is today, although surely some people used it for normal machine code. I have seen examples of that, although none come immediately to mind. https://www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall09/cos375/BestWay.pdf Will > On 05/04/2025 4:05 PM EDT Steve Lewis via cctalk <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The IBM5100 also uses the term "microcode" - but I'm not sure if that > term > pre-1975 means the same as what, say, Intel used it for around the x86? > I've seen a glimpse into the syntax of the x86 microcode. In the IBM > 5100's case, its CPU is distributed across 14 or so SLT chips - so I never > fully understood how it implements its PALM instruction set. I know the > two large IC on that process are two 64-byte memory things (dunno if > categorized as SRAM or DRAM, or neither), mapped to the first 128 > bytes of system RAM (so a high speed pass through, where that 128 > bytes correspond to the registers used by each of the 4 interrupt > levels). That PALM processor was developed right around the time of > the Intel 4004 (late '71 / mid '72), and stout enough to run a version > of APL about a year later (I see Intel made a version of FORTRAN for > the 8008, or at least a claim for it in the Intertec brochures). > > Anyway, all I mean is, in early 70s did "microcode" just mean > instruction-set, and that changed a few years later? Or did microcode > always mean some kind of "more primitive sequence" used to construct > into an instruction set? > > -Steve > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 1:33 PM ben via cctalk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 2025-05-04 2:11 a.m., jos via cctalk wrote: > > >> I recall that system had many boards, the whole "CPU" box was > > >> external > > to > > >> the monitor (and in the earliest versions, the power supply was also a > > >> large external box). I can't really fathom creating a BASIC out of raw > > >> TTL, or maybe I'm misunderstanding the approach. > > > You build a processor with some TTL, and then implement a BASIC on > > > that microprocessor. > > > There is always this intermediate step, no machine executes BASIC > > > directly in TTL. > > > > > Well for BASIC that is true. > > The Fairchild Symbol Computer was test to just how far TTL could go. > > > > > Look here for an example of a processor (Datapoint 2200) in TTL : > > > > > > > > https://bitsavers.org/pdf/datapoint/2200/jdreesen_shematics/DP2200_m > > b.pdf > > > > > > Jos > > Micocoded coded machines, could likely be programed to run basic. > > > > Ben. > > > > You just can't beat the person who never gives up. Babe Ruth
