At VCF West (Mountain View) in 2021, there was a demonstration of using a
4004 in a weighing machine and cash register.
I'm not sure if there was modern make or referenced prior equipment.


On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 8:58 AM Christian Liendo via cctalk <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Back in Nov of 2023 Ed Sharpe asked the following: “Was there ever a
> COMPUTER using a 4004 that you could really do something or did that
> finally arrive with the 8008”
>
> https://classiccmp.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/LYKGFANNPN6S75X3IUEZVFDRVPD5MQKF/
>
> I hope to answer that question, or at least spark a discussion.
>
> For a number of years now I have been researching this computer called
> a Comstar System 4 which is based on the Intel 4004. The Comstar
> Corporation of Minneapolis was a developer of microcomputer control
> and automation systems and in 1972 released the System 4
> microcomputer. Comstar built a general purpose capable computer that
> could be programmed to do a multitude of tasks but their market focus
> was industrial automation. Comstar was eventually bought by Warner &
> Swasey in 1974 to integrate their computers into the Warner & Swasey
> product line. Warner & Swasey was a huge manufacturer of industrial
> machines. So they bought Comstar to be their Computer division. In
> fact it was called " Warner & Swasey Comstar Microcomputer Electronic
> Products" Warner and Swasey also licensed the Micral N to do the same
> and we call the Micral N a computer. The Micral N was designed for
> process control, but we know of it as a computer.
>
> Now before anyone argues about if this is a computer or not, I will
> state the following.
>
> It was called a Microcomputer in the ACM titled "Development of a
> portable compiler for industrial microcomputer systems "
> It was called a Microcomputer in Electronics Magazine July 11th 1974
> It was listed as a Microcomputer in "Auerbach Guide to Minicomputers"
> April 1976 &  Winter 1976 - 1977
> It was listed as a Microcomputer in Datamation Magazine Dec 1974
> It was called a Microcomputer in "A MICROCOMPUTER BASED SUBSTATION
> CONTROL SYSTEM" The University of Oklahoma, Ph.D., 1975 Engineering,
> electronics and electrical Page 90
> It was listed as a Microcomputer in the Intel MCS 4 User Manual Feb
> 1973 page 171
> It was listed as a Microcomputer in Electronics Magazine Jan 1973,
> they promote the 4004 and 8008 and use the System 4 as an example.
> The reality is this existed, was 4004 based and there were discussions
> about it in the media at the time.
>
> Anyway I wanted to see if there was more interest in researching this
> computer.
>
> I listed a number of articles and references below that either discuss
> Comstar, The Warner Swasey Computer Division, the “System 4” or “Star
> 4” Computer.
>
> All the Manuals and schematics I was able to upload to archive.org
> https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Comstar+Computer+Systems%22
>
> Computer History Museum's Archive of the Manual
> https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102686568
>
> Pictures of the items I have collected so far
> https://imgur.com/a/Oyts3A9
>
> The website "Internet Scripophily Museum of Computing" has a page on
> the history of The Warner & Swasey Company. It's a decent timeline of
> the company
> http://ismoc.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-warner-swasey-company.html
>
> "Development of a portable compiler for industrial microcomputer
> systems" by LEROY H. ANDERSON The Warner & Swasey Company, it
> discusses the system and has images on the unit.
>
> https://www.computer.org/csdl/pds/api/csdl/proceedings/download-article/12OmNzRqdD4/pdf
>
> In the ACM's archives "Development of a portable compiler for
> industrial microcomputer systems" by LEROY H. ANDERSON The Warner &
> Swasey Company, it discusses the system and has images on the unit.
>
> https://www.computer.org/csdl/pds/api/csdl/proceedings/download-article/12OmNzRqdD4/pdf
>
> Electronics Magazine July 11th 1974  Article: Industrial Automatic
> control proliferates, they are mentioned on page 84 & 85
>
> https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Electronics/70s/74/Electronics-1974-07-11.pdf
>
> There is a mention about the compiler in the IEEE on Page 25 under
> Compiler Programmer
> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=6368812
>
> Computer Design Magazine Nov 1975 Page 129 they talk about the compiler.
> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_ComputerDe_90611286/page/128/mode/2up
>
> The Intel MCS 4 User Manual Feb 1973 page 171 and in Electronics
> Magazine Jan 1973, they promote the 4004 and 8008 and use the System 4
> as an example.
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/components/intel/MCS4/MCS-4_UsersManual_Feb73.pdf
>
> https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Electronics/70s/73/Electronics-1973-01-04.pdf
>
> There are a number of sources that list the computer as a
> "microcomputer" and provide specs showing it being 4004 based.
>
> Datamation Magazine Page 97 & 101
> http://www.bitsavers.org/magazines/Datamation/197412.pdf
>
> In "Auerbach Guide to Minicomputers" April 1976, the computer is
> mentioned on page 54 and page 70.
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/auerbach/Auerbach_Guide_to_Minicomputers_Apr76.pdf
>
> In "Auerbach Guide to Minicomputers" Winter 1976 - 1977, the computer
> is mentioned on page 32
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/auerbach/Auerbach_Guide_to_Minicomputers_1976-1977_Winter.pdf
>

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