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> You are thinking the wrong way. You should think: what tools are available
> on a standard compliant OS and will they fit my needs. If they fit your needs
> then use them even if it might be easier to use the nonstandard things from
> Linux.
>
> ... If it is _really_ not possible to live with standard tools, think of other
> solutions.
I simply don't know all tools and functions of all operating systems,
Because of that I need to patches to improve the system, instead of
flames because I've developed it to use tools that I already
know in my day-to-day.
I'm learning a lot too from the suggestions and tricks sent by list to
improve the system.
> There is no reason to use tempfile at all as I see no improvement with tempfile
> compared to a standard solution.
Do you mean "/tmp/file.$$$"?
>
> If you like your application to be usable (and accepted) by many people,
> use standard tools. There is no 'less' on UNIX! If you need more, use more.
> If you like the user to be able to use a different pager, check $PAGER.
Yes, $PAGER sounds better yet than less. Personally I use less as $PAGER
but I know people that uses emacs, mc, joe...
>
> *********** Here is something that leads us back to the TAR discussion **********
>
> .... So I should add some final notes on the TAR discussion. Note that I am doing
> this in this thread, because I hope not to restart the TAR thread this way.
Ok
> The big problem with FSF (official GNU) is that FSF likes to _force_ users to use
> FSF Programs anywhere. This is _very_ similar to what M$ does. There is no
> difference from taking money for the tools or not if you only look at this
> point.
>
> My main goal is that people should be able to use what they prefer, but the
> defaults should be the standarards (POSIX & OpenGroup) and _not_ FSF. At least
> when there is a diference between FSF tools and the standards.
I agreed, now I see that makes no sense to use non-standard tools.
> If you did not yet get my message from the TAR discussion, I repeat it in different
> words:
>
> Use whatever TAR program you like to use.
>
> However, if "your favorite" TAR program is not able to extract TAR archives
> don't piss on me! Simply send a bug report to the maintainer of "your
> favorite" TAR program.
>
> *********************************************************************************
>
> As it seems that people who know nothing but Linux have problens to find out
> what is nonstandard on Linux, here is the ultimate link for the official
> behavior of *NIX:
>
> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/
>
> >J=F6rg: Does the plain, old sh support functions in shell scripts? If not,
>
> Of course: This feature has been added around 1982-1984
>
> >than the memoria-cd script might print a message like:
>
> >"Please upgrade your shell to something usable like bash. Cannot go on."
>
> Using the word "upgrade" is very very quetionable in this context.
>
> If you overwrite /bin/sh with bash or if you modify the root account
> to use any other shell than sh (note that this is even /sbin/sh on modern
> UNIXes - /sbin/ is the static binaries directory - All programs in /sbin
> need to be able to work in single user mode when there are no shared libraries
> available) you may completely corrupt your installation forcing a re-install
> from CD.
> >J=F6rg: Does the ps on "real" Unices support this: ps ax --sort=3Dppid ?
>
> NO: UNIX does not suport 'ps ax' at all AFAIK, Linux has no standard compliant
> pa at all.
Really that "ps ax --sort=ppid" write the pid number only as a status,
this
not affect the cdcontrol system of any way.
There is another way to get real pid from each parent cdrecord process
that
controls each recorder without to use that? I had no luck with 'pidof'
and
I'm not sure if it's posix compliant or not...
> Look at: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xcu/ps.html
> for the official behavior of 'ps'.
> cat /var/adm/messages* | grep 'mem ' ...
Humm, the debian distribution store this logfile in /var/adm/messages
>
> But:
>
> - This does not work on Linux because it uses nonstandard places
> for log files.
>
> - If a machine is 'up' for a long time the needed information has been
> scrolled out.
The system could be changed to check from the output of
'uname' (is uname a standard unix tool?), and run the apropriade
code for Linux ou other some unix flavor.
Thanks again
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