On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:32:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> People do not have interest because they don't know and this is because VENDORS
> do not put star on the distributions.
> 
> If you only use tar x or tar c, and don't know what else is supported you 
> believe that GNU tar is sufficient.

Hmm, I almost never have used any more than that.  Tar never seems like
the solution when needing more than that.  Perhaps that is just the way
GNU tar is then.

> Instead for unknown reasons, vendors put the non-standard compliant GNu tar on.
> Is it really that Linux people dislike standards as much as M$ does?

I didn't know that tar was an actual defined standard.  It makes sense
to have one, but I never thought about it before.

> -     Star has a lot of features I use every day that are missing in 
>       GNU tar. If people start using star on a daily  base they never will
>       use GNu tar anymore because it lacks important things that make life 
>       easier.

Other than ACLs, what nice features does it have that you use regularly?
I might learn something useful here.

> -     GNUtar cannot feed DLT tapes fast enough. The result is that the
>       media wears out. Star allows to set up e.g. 128 MB or more of FIFO
>       and gives streaming reserve for 30+ seconds.

Well I don't have a tape drive, but maybe it will write to disk faster.

> -     GNUtar does not do a good job with incremental dumps because it uses
>       a badly defined media format. Star will be the first program that
>       gives the same or more than you get with ufsdump/ufsrestore.
>       Star will do this portable and OS/FS independant.

I haven't done any incremental tar files.  Never seemed to go well with
compressed tar files.

> -     GNUtar gives many compatibility problems because it ignores standards.
>       Note that GNU tar has been started in 1989 from PD tar aka. SUG tar
>       and still ignores even POSIX.1-1988. Star implements POSIX.1-2001 for 
>       10 months now.

Well I mostly extract tar files, and they seem to have come out OK.
Any tar I have made has probably been for my own use.

> For sake, many users are force to change now ;-0
> 
> Star is the only backup tool on Linux that allows to archive ACLs.

ACLs as in what XFS and a few other filesystems have in addition to the
standard old rwxrwxrwx/uid/gid stuff?

> If you like to know that's wrong with TAR on Linux, check the new program
> "tartest" that comes with the latest star alpha.
> 
> Also check the testscripts anf archives from:
> 
> ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/star/testscripts/

Hmm, interesting.  May be worth considering.

apt-get install star.  All done. :)  I wonder if 1.5a02 is fairly up
to date.

Len Sorensen


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