Ramon C, You disappoint me, my friend. We had a discussion going on about a week ago. I replied to your post point by frigging point and expected you to come up with your own arguments. Instead, all I got from you was silence.
Now I called the Tea Party people clowns and you called me names. You called me a crazy leftist loon and intellectually lazy. I reacted by posting a response that outlined exactly why I felt the Tea Party people who shut down the government and are trying very hard to derail Obamacare are in fact clownish oafs who have destroyed nothing except their own credibility. You react by calling me a one-position, one argument person. Well, duh! Where have you been, my friend. I am a passionate advocate for the poor, the downtrodden, the exploited. That's my passion. And that is why I am the perfect antidote to the Tea Party people whose idea of a grand bargain is when the Democrats agree to everything that the Tea Party Republicans are asking for. I am not like Obama, who is a "this is where I stand, folks, but on the other hand I can also see my opponents' and critics' points of view" type of person. In other words, I don't present the arguments close to my heart then on the next breath present arguments that seemingly work against my own. I believe very strongly in my arguments because I know they are the strongest arguments. So far, you have proven to me that you do not care about your own arguments because you have not presented them with any kind of passion. Instead you pull from your collection of pseudo psychological clap-trap and innuendo me in the process. And the other guy, he acts like a chorus. I respect him and even like him as a person. When we are together we interact like we are long lost friends. But, when he argues, he has nothing to say except that he is sick and tired of me as a person and as a polemicist. If you can't stand the heat, as Truman once famously said... C On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Ramon Corrales < [email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Here’s my description of *Immaturity*, bias, and prejudice—they all are > synonyms. **** > > ** ** > > IMMATURITY IS A MINDSET WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALITIES:**** > > **· ***Someone who only has** one perspective*: mine and only > mine counts—the hell with everyone else’s point of view.**** > > **· ***My view is the truth*—and if you disagree with me, you are > obviously wrong, hence put up or shut up. (Try to deal with your loved ones > or your work colleagues that way, and your relationships will immediately > deteriorate).**** > > **· ***Disagreement is viewed as disapproval of me, the self*—not > disagreement with ideas. That is why immaturity is synonymous with > selfishness—because the self is tied to an idea or ideology.**** > > **· ***No distinction is made between facts and feelings*: My * > View* and *outside events* are one: my view (of what the facts are) is > the truth. There is no credibility given to anyone else—unless he/she > agrees with me. If you agree, you must be wise. If you disagree, you are > obviously a moron.**** > > **· ***Egocentrism*: Since only my view counts, then no other > point of view counts. Egocentrism eventually leads to (1) > *isolationism*(impatience with those who have a backbone and an independent > head on them) > or (2) to attracting followers who need to be true believers—on the left > and on the right—the herd will be with you.**** > > **· ***Ethnocentrism*: Only my group counts—only those who agree > with my philosophy (that’s my kind, my group)—are worthy of breathing. Kill > the rest of the fuckers. That by the way is the Mafia philosophy, except > membership is defined by agreement with my point of view, not with > belonging to an organization. If you are not with me, you are against me. > If you are not part of my group, you are an infidel and must therefore be > eliminated—demonized and pathologized.**** > > **· ***The external world is to blame*: The immature person never > takes responsibility for his/her thoughts, feelings, decisions, or actions. > This includes the system: the poor, the needy, and uneducated, the > minorities, and any unfortunate human being is always and only the VICTIM > of oppressive forces coming from the outside. Individual responsibility has > absolutely no part in the origin or maintenance of one’s plight in life. > This is a form of black/white thinking. There is no nuanced version of the > interaction between social and individuals forces in life. Social is always > to blame for individual tragedies. The fix or the blame is always external. > **** > > ** ** > > In my view, the *core causal factors* of wars, polarization, lack of > synergy, lack of tolerance, lack of mature compassion—even and especially > toward those who disagree with us—have more to do with one’s *level of > maturity* (vertical dimension) than with one’s *position on the > left-right spectrum* (horizontal dimension). Mature people on the left or > the right can have true dialogue and bring value to each other’s > perspectives. It is the immature ones, on the left and on the right, that > are unable to bring love, wisdom, and compassion. They will find a way to > justify their hatred.**** > > Mon C.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Cesar Lumba > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:30 AM > *To:* HS59LaSalle; [email protected]; Archersnook; 62ndforum; > Moonglow; World-Wide Fil Alliance; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG > *Subject:* Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM**** > > ** ** > > **** > > Those Tea Party clowns and oafs are on the way to the dustbin of history. > Mark my words. People like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah > Palin and Steve King are not quite as hypocritical as American history's > most despised witch hunter, Joseph McCarthy, who saw leftists behind every > door in America's homes, but close. Americans are on to them. They might > keep their political offices because of voters' inertia, but they have no > future beyond their present.**** > > ** ** > > The unthinkable may yet happen. The House of Representatives is in play > in 2014 and may turn Democratic. All courtesy of the Tea Party fanatics > who wave the Confederate flag while they scream at Obama to drop the Kuran, > rise from his kneeling position, and step out of the White House with his > arms raised high. If Obama doesn't comply, presumably bullets will rain on > the White House!**** > > ** ** > > The point of my last post is that the Tea Party folks are desperately > trying to overturn the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) when there is so > much evidence that a lot of Americans - more than the total population of > Canada and Australia combined, including those still in the tummies of > expectant mothers there - have no access to health insurance and are just > one illness away from death and/or bankruptcy, and the only, only, ONLY > thing that can save them is Obamacare.**** > > ** ** > > I have no use for heartless idiots, no truck for their sympathizers.**** > > ** ** > > I don't care about people not approving what I do or say because I > obviously don't value their opinions. I have not even an iota of concern > that such people fanatically disagree with me.**** > > ** ** > > I am a passionate sonofabitch, and if people don't like it, hell, there's > 7 billion people on this planet about half of whom agree with me. I have a > lot of soulmates in the underdeveloped world, where people generally > passionately feel that there must be more compassion for the poor, the > downtrodden, the exploited on God's green earth.**** > > ** ** > > I passionately hate people who feel that the super-rich somehow deserve > our sympathy. Sympathy, my ass. They are responsible for most of the > unfairness and cynicism in this world. They are the polluters, the global > warming deniers, the Wall Street bastards who created the monsters that > were sold to the people as can't-lose investments.**** > > ** ** > > They are the Neros who fiddle as Rome burns.**** > > ** ** > > C**** > > ** ** > > PS Why is that guy one of the moderators of this group? He obviously is > a zealot for the extreme right of the political spectrum. Is this group a > wholly-owned subsidiary of Fox News?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Aquilino Alcantara < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > many have given up ... you are now one of us ... **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ramon Corrales <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:15 AM > *Subject:* RE: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM**** > > **** > > Chay**** > > Should I call you a leftist loon just because your ideas are on the > extreme left of the spectrum? Calling people loons or clowns is an > INTELLECTUALLY LAZY way to dialogue because it bypasses discourse on > issues. It’s also an immature way to energize one’s prejudices. There’s no > way to dialogue with you, my friend. **** > > Mon C.**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Cesar Lumba > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:05 AM > *To:* HS59LaSalle > *Subject:* Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking — NEJM**** > > **** > > **** > > This is required reading for all those Tea Party clowns.**** > > **** > > C**** > > **** > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Antonio Aguado <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > **** > > http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1312793?query=TOC**** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web > post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJybjZlNm8zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARtc2dJZAMyMDA2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-?act=reply&messageNum=20060> > Reply > to sender > <[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5BHS59LaSalle%5D%20Dead%20Man%20Walking%20-%20NEJM> > Reply > to group > <[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5BHS59LaSalle%5D%20Dead%20Man%20Walking%20-%20NEJM> > Start > a New > Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNnZmNWszBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-> > Messages > in this > topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/message/20050;_ylc=X3oDMTM3b3FkOWVxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARtc2dJZAMyMDA2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjcEdHBjSWQDMjAwNTA->(7) > Recent Activity: > > > Visit Your > Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNm03ZjdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-> > [image: Yahoo! > Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJldXRzYjBjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM4MjYzMTMyNw--> > Switch to: > Text-Only<[email protected]?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional>, > Daily > Digest<[email protected]?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>• > Unsubscribe <[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe>• > Terms > of Use <http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> • Send us > Feedback > <[email protected]?subject=Feedback+on+the+redesigned+individual+mail+v1> > . > > __,_._,___ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Center for Good Governance" group. 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