Speaking of name-callers, has everybody been listening to what the Tea Party "half-saintly, half-bad" guys and gals call Obama?
My friend Lynn Abad Santos, grandson of the great Supreme Court Chief Justice Jose Abad Santos, has emailed me his contribution to our current discourse. C ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lynn Santos <[email protected]> Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] CHAY, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD SOME OF THESE TEA PARTY SPEECHES DURING THEIR TELEVISED RALLIES? SOMEWHERE IN THE END, PALIN OR SOME OTHER SPEAKER WILL SAY " WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A KENYAN PRESIDENT WHO IS A MUSLIM" THEREFORE, ALL THE PREVIOUS ARGUMENTS ARE ONLY A PRELUDE TO THEIR REAL MESSAGE THAT OBAMA IS ALL WRONG ON ANYTHING BECAUSE HE IS A KENYAN AND A MUSLIM 2 THINGS 1) NOT ONLY IS THIS STATEMENT A BOLD FACED LIE BECAUSE HE WAS BORN HERE OF A WHITE MOTHER AND KENYAN FATHER TEACHING HERE WITH A PhD. 2) BUT TO SAY A KENYAN MUSLIM IS INCAPABLE OF ANY GOOD SPEAKS VOLUMES OF THEIR PERCEPTION OF MINORITIES IN FACT IT SEEMS THE TEA PARTY IS MERELY A FACADE FOR THE KU KLUX KLAN SYMPATHIZERS TO VENT THEIR RAGE AT NON WHITES *THESE MINORITY TEA PARTY LOVERS WHO DEFEND THEM OUGHT TO LISTEN MORE CAREFULLY BECAUSE THEY JUST MIGHT BE KISSING THE FOOT THAT WANTS TO KICK THEM IN THE FACE * SITTING-BACK, ONE CANNOT HELP BUT OBSERVE THAT THE VERACITY OF WHAT THE TEA PARTY SAYS IS IMMATERIAL TO THEM, YOU CAN CALL THEM FRAUDS ALL DAY LONG AND THEY COULD CARE LESS BECAUSE THEIR REAL AGENDA IS TO FIND A WAY TO MARGINALIZE ALL MINORITIES. WHY? EASY, BY 2020-2025 THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS BELOW 30 WILL BE HISPANIC . FROM THAT DAY ON, IT WILL BE HARD FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO GERRY RIG THE VOTING DISTRICTS WHICH THEY ARE DOING NOW AND ARE SO SUCCESSFUL AT THIS FRAUD, ( IN 2000 GORE WON BY THE POPULAR VOTE BUT LOST IN THE COLLEGIAL VOTING. THAT IS AN OXYMORON, A COMPLETE REPUDIATION OF DEMOCRACY OR THE RULE OF THE MAJORITY ) WHEN CORNERED BY RACHEL MADDOW, THESE TEA PARTY CONGRESSMEN HAVE THE GALL TO SAY THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY BUT A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. YOU NEED TO BE A SUPREMELY ARROGANT BASTARD TO MOCK THE SYSTEM THAT WAY ON LIVE TV THEREFORE THE TEA PARTY REALLY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES. EVEN AS THEY ONLY REPRESENT THE FRINGE THAT WANT A RETURN TO AN ALL WHITE AMERICA ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE NAIVETE' OF THE MINORITIES ( INCLUDING MANY OF MY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES ) WHO ARE SOLD INTO THIS BULLSHIT THAT THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE PEOPLE THE TEA PARTY HATE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOD-FEARING PATRIOTIC BROWN CHRISTIAN AMERICANS TOO BAD THEY DON'T STUDY HISTORY AND RECALL HOW HITLER STARTED HIS ANTI SEMITIC CAMPAIGN BY FIRST OSTRACIZING THEM, THEN ASKING PEOPLE IF THEY KNEW ANY "JEW", ALL THE WHILE CONDITIONING THEIR MINDS TO ACCEPT THAT JEWS ARE SUB HUMANS JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD COME TO ACCEPT THE PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS AS NORMAL/JUSTIFIED *ONCE THESE TEA PARTY ARE DONE WITH ONE MINORITY THEY WILL TURN TO THE NEXT BECAUSE AS HOWARD BAKER, RETIRED DEMOCRATIC LEADER SAID ; ", THE TEA PARTY SAYS THEY ARE FOR ORDERLY LEGAL MIGRATION, EXCEPT THAT WHEN YOU READ THE DETAILS, THE PROCEDURE IS SO CONVOLUTED IT WILL TAKE 100 YEARS FOR A FAMILY TO FINALLY ALL BE PETITIONED. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE POINTLESS SINCE MOST WOULD HAVE DIED LONG BEFORE THOSE 100 YEARS "* IT IS SAD THAT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER LAZILY JUST LISTEN AND BELIEVE IN THE EMPTY WORDS OF REPUBLICANS AND THE TEA PARTY, INSTEAD OF TAKING NOTE OF WHAT THEY SAY VERSUS WHAT THEY DO REPUBLICANS HAVE NEVER PRESIDED OVER ANY REAL PROSPERITY IN AMERICA BECAUSE ALL THEIR PROSPERITY WAS AN ILLUSION SINCE THEY WERE DEFENSE DEFICIT FUNDED REAGAN'S ARMS BUILDUP using ss trust fund never repaid until today BUSH SR AND HIS DESERT 1 - Oil companies demanded instead exclusive contract in exchange for reparations AND BUSH JR AND HIS DESERT 2 AT LEAST WITH DEMOCRATS, THEY DON'T HIDE ANYTHING, YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET, LIKE IT OR NOT. EVERYTHING IS TRANSPARENT AND THEY ARE WILLING TO BE CHALLENGED IN PUBLIC WHILE REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS, THEY SAY SOMETHING, LIKE ALL THIS "BIRTHER" ALLEGATIONS AGAINST OBAMA IN FRONT OF THEIR SYCOPHANTS, BUT IN FRONT OF A NEUTRAL CROWD THEY DO NOT CONTROL - ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND REFUSE TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES THERE IS NOT ONE DAY THE TEA PARTY DOESN'T MAKE A FOOL OF ITSELF PRECISELY BECAUSE IT HAS NO AGENDA EXCEPT TO DESTROY WHATEVER OBAMA HAS DONE NO THANKS TO ALL THE REPUBLICANS SABOTAGING OBAMA 24/7, TODAY THE DOW IS AT 230% OF WHAT IT WAS WHEN THE REPUBLICANS DROVE THE COUNTRY INTO A DEPRESSION. ARE THE DEMOCRATS SMART? NO! ALL THEY ARE DOING IS CLEANING HOUSE, SUING ALL THE WALL STREET CROOKS AND IN SO DOING HAVE RESTORED CREDIBILITY IN THE MARKET SUCH THAT INVESTORS HAVE COME BACK - EVEN IN A RECOVERING ECONOMY HAS ANY REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION EVER PRESIDED OVER THIS KIND OF PROSPERITY, WHETHER IT WAS CLINTON'S WHEN THE DOW ROSE FROM 3,000 TO 10,000, OR OBAMA WHEN IT ROSE FROM 6,500 TO 15,400 TODAY? IT SEEMS THE VERY PEOPLE LAMBASTING OBAMA ARE THE ONES MAKING THE MOST MONEY FROM ALL THE DEMOCRATS EFFORTS TO STABILIZE THE MARKET SO WHAT ELSE CAN THE REASON WHY THE REPUBLICANS AND TEA PARTY BE FOR HATING OBAMA OTHER THAN RACE? UTAHNIANS ARE THE MOST VOCAL IN THE CRUSADE FOR LESS GOVERNMENT YET THEY ARE THE MOST DEPENDENT ON FEDERAL PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF ALL THEIR PARKS. THIS BECAME EVIDENT DURING THE SHUTDOWN. SO THEY WANT TO CUT THE HAND THE FEEDS THEM? OR DO THEY JUST WANT TO CUT THE HAND BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO BE BLACK? BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE AWFULLY QUIET ABOUT THE FACT THAT TED CRUZ IS A CANADIAN BORN CUBAN IRISH WHITE, WHO UNDER THE RULES, CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT SINCE HE IS NOT NATURAL BORN WHERE IS THE NEW YORK IMMIGRATION POLICEMAN DONALD TRUMP? SO THE BIRTHER RULE CAN BE WAIVED IF YOU ARE WHITE BUT NOT IF YOU ARE BLACK? OBAMA WAS BORN IN AMERICA, TED CRUZ IN CANADA YET OBAMA IS THE ONE SUSPECT OF BEING NON AMERICAN? Lynn Santos [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Cesar Lumba <[email protected]> To: HS59LaSalle <[email protected]> Cc: DLSHS59 <[email protected]>; Archersnook < [email protected]>; 62ndforum <[email protected]>; Moonglow <[email protected]>; World-Wide Fil Alliance < [email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < [email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM Ramon C, You disappoint me, my friend. We had a discussion going on about a week ago. I replied to your post point by frigging point and expected you to come up with your own arguments. Instead, all I got from you was silence. Now I called the Tea Party people clowns and you called me names. You called me a crazy leftist loon and intellectually lazy. I reacted by posting a response that outlined exactly why I felt the Tea Party people who shut down the government and are trying very hard to derail Obamacare are in fact clownish oafs who have destroyed nothing except their own credibility. You react by calling me a one-position, one argument person. Well, duh! Where have you been, my friend. I am a passionate advocate for the poor, the downtrodden, the exploited. That's my passion. And that is why I am the perfect antidote to the Tea Party people whose idea of a grand bargain is when the Democrats agree to everything that the Tea Party Republicans are asking for. I am not like Obama, who is a "this is where I stand, folks, but on the other hand I can also see my opponents' and critics' points of view" type of person. In other words, I don't present the arguments close to my heart then on the next breath present arguments that seemingly work against my own. I believe very strongly in my arguments because I know they are the strongest arguments. So far, you have proven to me that you do not care about your own arguments because you have not presented them with any kind of passion. Instead you pull from your collection of pseudo psychological clap-trap and innuendo me in the process. And the other guy, he acts like a chorus. I respect him and even like him as a person. When we are together we interact like we are long lost friends. But, when he argues, he has nothing to say except that he is sick and tired of me as a person and as a polemicist. If you can't stand the heat, as Truman once famously said... C On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Ramon Corrales < [email protected]> wrote: ** Here’s my description of *Immaturity*, bias, and prejudice—they all are synonyms. **** ** ** IMMATURITY IS A MINDSET WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALITIES:**** **· ***Someone who only has** one perspective*: mine and only mine counts—the hell with everyone else’s point of view.**** **· ***My view is the truth*—and if you disagree with me, you are obviously wrong, hence put up or shut up. (Try to deal with your loved ones or your work colleagues that way, and your relationships will immediately deteriorate).**** **· ***Disagreement is viewed as disapproval of me, the self*—not disagreement with ideas. That is why immaturity is synonymous with selfishness—because the self is tied to an idea or ideology.**** **· ***No distinction is made between facts and feelings*: My *View*and *outside events* are one: my view (of what the facts are) is the truth. There is no credibility given to anyone else—unless he/she agrees with me. If you agree, you must be wise. If you disagree, you are obviously a moron.* *** **· ***Egocentrism*: Since only my view counts, then no other point of view counts. Egocentrism eventually leads to (1) *isolationism*(impatience with those who have a backbone and an independent head on them) or (2) to attracting followers who need to be true believers—on the left and on the right—the herd will be with you.**** **· ***Ethnocentrism*: Only my group counts—only those who agree with my philosophy (that’s my kind, my group)—are worthy of breathing. Kill the rest of the fuckers. That by the way is the Mafia philosophy, except membership is defined by agreement with my point of view, not with belonging to an organization. If you are not with me, you are against me. If you are not part of my group, you are an infidel and must therefore be eliminated—demonized and pathologized.**** **· ***The external world is to blame*: The immature person never takes responsibility for his/her thoughts, feelings, decisions, or actions. This includes the system: the poor, the needy, and uneducated, the minorities, and any unfortunate human being is always and only the VICTIM of oppressive forces coming from the outside. Individual responsibility has absolutely no part in the origin or maintenance of one’s plight in life. This is a form of black/white thinking. There is no nuanced version of the interaction between social and individuals forces in life. Social is always to blame for individual tragedies. The fix or the blame is always external.* *** ** ** In my view, the *core causal factors* of wars, polarization, lack of synergy, lack of tolerance, lack of mature compassion—even and especially toward those who disagree with us—have more to do with one’s *level of maturity* (vertical dimension) than with one’s *position on the left-right spectrum* (horizontal dimension). Mature people on the left or the right can have true dialogue and bring value to each other’s perspectives. It is the immature ones, on the left and on the right, that are unable to bring love, wisdom, and compassion. They will find a way to justify their hatred.* *** Mon C.**** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cesar Lumba *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:30 AM *To:* HS59LaSalle; [email protected]; Archersnook; 62ndforum; Moonglow; World-Wide Fil Alliance; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG *Subject:* Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM**** ** ** **** Those Tea Party clowns and oafs are on the way to the dustbin of history. Mark my words. People like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin and Steve King are not quite as hypocritical as American history's most despised witch hunter, Joseph McCarthy, who saw leftists behind every door in America's homes, but close. Americans are on to them. They might keep their political offices because of voters' inertia, but they have no future beyond their present.**** ** ** The unthinkable may yet happen. The House of Representatives is in play in 2014 and may turn Democratic. All courtesy of the Tea Party fanatics who wave the Confederate flag while they scream at Obama to drop the Kuran, rise from his kneeling position, and step out of the White House with his arms raised high. If Obama doesn't comply, presumably bullets will rain on the White House!**** ** ** The point of my last post is that the Tea Party folks are desperately trying to overturn the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) when there is so much evidence that a lot of Americans - more than the total population of Canada and Australia combined, including those still in the tummies of expectant mothers there - have no access to health insurance and are just one illness away from death and/or bankruptcy, and the only, only, ONLY thing that can save them is Obamacare.**** ** ** I have no use for heartless idiots, no truck for their sympathizers.**** ** ** I don't care about people not approving what I do or say because I obviously don't value their opinions. I have not even an iota of concern that such people fanatically disagree with me.**** ** ** I am a passionate sonofabitch, and if people don't like it, hell, there's 7 billion people on this planet about half of whom agree with me. I have a lot of soulmates in the underdeveloped world, where people generally passionately feel that there must be more compassion for the poor, the downtrodden, the exploited on God's green earth.**** ** ** I passionately hate people who feel that the super-rich somehow deserve our sympathy. Sympathy, my ass. They are responsible for most of the unfairness and cynicism in this world. They are the polluters, the global warming deniers, the Wall Street bastards who created the monsters that were sold to the people as can't-lose investments.**** ** ** They are the Neros who fiddle as Rome burns.**** ** ** C**** ** ** PS Why is that guy one of the moderators of this group? He obviously is a zealot for the extreme right of the political spectrum. Is this group a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fox News?**** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Aquilino Alcantara < [email protected]> wrote:**** many have given up ... you are now one of us ... **** ** ** *From:* Ramon Corrales <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:15 AM *Subject:* RE: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking - NEJM**** **** Chay**** Should I call you a leftist loon just because your ideas are on the extreme left of the spectrum? Calling people loons or clowns is an INTELLECTUALLY LAZY way to dialogue because it bypasses discourse on issues. It’s also an immature way to energize one’s prejudices. There’s no way to dialogue with you, my friend. **** Mon C.**** **** **** *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cesar Lumba *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:05 AM *To:* HS59LaSalle *Subject:* Re: [HS59LaSalle] Dead Man Walking — NEJM**** **** **** This is required reading for all those Tea Party clowns.**** **** C**** **** On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Antonio Aguado <[email protected]> wrote:**** **** http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1312793?query=TOC**** **** **** ** ** **** __._,_.___ Reply via web post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJybjZlNm8zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARtc2dJZAMyMDA2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-?act=reply&messageNum=20060> Reply to sender <[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5BHS59LaSalle%5D%20Dead%20Man%20Walking%20-%20NEJM> Reply to group <[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5BHS59LaSalle%5D%20Dead%20Man%20Walking%20-%20NEJM> Start a New Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNnZmNWszBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-> Messages in this topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle/message/20050;_ylc=X3oDMTM3b3FkOWVxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARtc2dJZAMyMDA2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjcEdHBjSWQDMjAwNTA->(7) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HS59LaSalle;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNm03ZjdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MzQ5NDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA3NzYyNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzODI2MzEzMjc-> [image: Yahoo! 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