Hi!

The clients are KVM VMs, there's QEMU/libvirt impact for sure. I will test
with a baremetal client and see whether it performs much better.

/Z


On Wed, 6 Oct 2021, 01:29 Anthony D'Atri, <anthony.da...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The lead PG handling ops isn’t a factor, with RBD your volumes touch
> dozens / hundreds of PGs.   But QD=1 and small block sizes are going to
> limit your throughput.
>
> What are your clients?  Are they bare metal?  Are they VMs?  If they’re
> VMs, do you have QEMU/libvirt throttling in play?  I see that a lot.
>
> > On Oct 5, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Zakhar Kirpichenko <zak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure, fio might be showing some bogus values in the summary, I'll
> > check the readings again tomorrow.
> >
> > Another thing I noticed is that writes seem bandwidth-limited and don't
> > scale well with block size and/or number of threads. I.e. one clients
> > writes at about the same speed regardless of the benchmark settings. A
> > person on reddit, where I asked this question as well, suggested that in
> a
> > replicated pool writes and reads are handled by the primary PG, which
> would
> > explain this write bandwidth limit.
> >
> > /Z
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Oct 2021, 22:31 Christian Wuerdig, <
> christian.wuer...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe some info is missing but 7k write IOPs at 4k block size seem
> fairly
> >> decent (as you also state) - the bandwidth automatically follows from
> that
> >> so not sure what you're expecting?
> >> I am a bit puzzled though - by my math 7k IOPS at 4k should only be
> >> 27MiB/sec - not sure how the 120MiB/sec was achieved
> >> The read benchmark seems in line with 13k IOPS at 4k making around
> >> 52MiB/sec bandwidth which again is expected.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 04:08, Zakhar Kirpichenko <zak...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I built a CEPH 16.2.x cluster with relatively fast and modern hardware,
> >>> and
> >>> its performance is kind of disappointing. I would very much appreciate
> an
> >>> advice and/or pointers :-)
> >>>
> >>> The hardware is 3 x Supermicro SSG-6029P nodes, each equipped with:
> >>>
> >>> 2 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 5220R CPUs
> >>> 384 GB RAM
> >>> 2 x boot drives
> >>> 2 x 1.6 TB Micron 7300 MTFDHBE1T6TDG drives (DB/WAL)
> >>> 2 x 6.4 TB Micron 7300 MTFDHBE6T4TDG drives (storage tier)
> >>> 9 x Toshiba MG06SCA10TE 9TB HDDs, write cache off (storage tier)
> >>> 2 x Intel XL710 NICs connected to a pair of 40/100GE switches
> >>>
> >>> All 3 nodes are running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS with the latest 5.4 kernel,
> >>> apparmor is disabled, energy-saving features are disabled. The network
> >>> between the CEPH nodes is 40G, CEPH access network is 40G, the average
> >>> latencies are < 0.15 ms. I've personally tested the network for
> >>> throughput,
> >>> latency and loss, and can tell that it's operating as expected and
> doesn't
> >>> exhibit any issues at idle or under load.
> >>>
> >>> The CEPH cluster is set up with 2 storage classes, NVME and HDD, with 2
> >>> smaller NVME drives in each node used as DB/WAL and each HDD allocated
> .
> >>> ceph osd tree output:
> >>>
> >>> ID   CLASS  WEIGHT     TYPE NAME                STATUS  REWEIGHT
> PRI-AFF
> >>> -1         288.37488  root default
> >>> -13         288.37488      datacenter ste
> >>> -14         288.37488          rack rack01
> >>> -7          96.12495              host ceph01
> >>>  0    hdd    9.38680                  osd.0        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  1    hdd    9.38680                  osd.1        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  2    hdd    9.38680                  osd.2        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  3    hdd    9.38680                  osd.3        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  4    hdd    9.38680                  osd.4        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  5    hdd    9.38680                  osd.5        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  6    hdd    9.38680                  osd.6        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  7    hdd    9.38680                  osd.7        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  8    hdd    9.38680                  osd.8        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>  9   nvme    5.82190                  osd.9        up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 10   nvme    5.82190                  osd.10       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> -10          96.12495              host ceph02
> >>> 11    hdd    9.38680                  osd.11       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 12    hdd    9.38680                  osd.12       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 13    hdd    9.38680                  osd.13       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 14    hdd    9.38680                  osd.14       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 15    hdd    9.38680                  osd.15       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 16    hdd    9.38680                  osd.16       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 17    hdd    9.38680                  osd.17       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 18    hdd    9.38680                  osd.18       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 19    hdd    9.38680                  osd.19       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 20   nvme    5.82190                  osd.20       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 21   nvme    5.82190                  osd.21       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> -3          96.12495              host ceph03
> >>> 22    hdd    9.38680                  osd.22       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 23    hdd    9.38680                  osd.23       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 24    hdd    9.38680                  osd.24       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 25    hdd    9.38680                  osd.25       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 26    hdd    9.38680                  osd.26       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 27    hdd    9.38680                  osd.27       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 28    hdd    9.38680                  osd.28       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 29    hdd    9.38680                  osd.29       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 30    hdd    9.38680                  osd.30       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 31   nvme    5.82190                  osd.31       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>> 32   nvme    5.82190                  osd.32       up   1.00000
> 1.00000
> >>>
> >>> ceph df:
> >>>
> >>> --- RAW STORAGE ---
> >>> CLASS     SIZE    AVAIL    USED  RAW USED  %RAW USED
> >>> hdd    253 TiB  241 TiB  13 TiB    13 TiB       5.00
> >>> nvme    35 TiB   35 TiB  82 GiB    82 GiB       0.23
> >>> TOTAL  288 TiB  276 TiB  13 TiB    13 TiB       4.42
> >>>
> >>> --- POOLS ---
> >>> POOL                   ID  PGS   STORED  OBJECTS     USED  %USED  MAX
> >>> AVAIL
> >>> images                 12  256   24 GiB    3.15k   73 GiB   0.03     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> volumes                13  256  839 GiB  232.16k  2.5 TiB   1.07     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> backups                14  256   31 GiB    8.56k   94 GiB   0.04     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> vms                    15  256  752 GiB  198.80k  2.2 TiB   0.96     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> device_health_metrics  16   32   35 MiB       39  106 MiB      0     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> volumes-nvme           17  256   28 GiB    7.21k   81 GiB   0.24     11
> >>> TiB
> >>> ec-volumes-meta        18  256   27 KiB        4   92 KiB      0     76
> >>> TiB
> >>> ec-volumes-data        19  256    8 KiB        1   12 KiB      0    152
> >>> TiB
> >>>
> >>> Please disregard the ec-pools, as they're not currently in use. All
> other
> >>> pools are configured with min_size=2, size=3. All pools are bound to
> HDD
> >>> storage except for 'volumes-nvme', which is bound to NVME. The number
> of
> >>> PGs was increased recently, as with autoscaler I was getting a very
> uneven
> >>> PG distribution on devices and we're expecting to add 3 more nodes of
> >>> exactly the same configuration in the coming weeks. I have to emphasize
> >>> that I tested different PG numbers and they didn't have a noticeable
> >>> impact
> >>> on the cluster performance.
> >>>
> >>> The main issue is that this beautiful cluster isn't very fast. When I
> test
> >>> against the 'volumes' pool, residing on HDD storage class (HDDs with
> >>> DB/WAL
> >>> on NVME), I get unexpectedly low throughput numbers:
> >>>
> >>>> rados -p volumes bench 30 write --no-cleanup
> >>> ...
> >>> Total time run:         30.3078
> >>> Total writes made:      3731
> >>> Write size:             4194304
> >>> Object size:            4194304
> >>> Bandwidth (MB/sec):     492.415
> >>> Stddev Bandwidth:       161.777
> >>> Max bandwidth (MB/sec): 820
> >>> Min bandwidth (MB/sec): 204
> >>> Average IOPS:           123
> >>> Stddev IOPS:            40.4442
> >>> Max IOPS:               205
> >>> Min IOPS:               51
> >>> Average Latency(s):     0.129115
> >>> Stddev Latency(s):      0.143881
> >>> Max latency(s):         1.35669
> >>> Min latency(s):         0.0228179
> >>>
> >>>> rados -p volumes bench 30 seq --no-cleanup
> >>> ...
> >>> Total time run:       14.7272
> >>> Total reads made:     3731
> >>> Read size:            4194304
> >>> Object size:          4194304
> >>> Bandwidth (MB/sec):   1013.36
> >>> Average IOPS:         253
> >>> Stddev IOPS:          63.8709
> >>> Max IOPS:             323
> >>> Min IOPS:             91
> >>> Average Latency(s):   0.0625202
> >>> Max latency(s):       0.551629
> >>> Min latency(s):       0.010683
> >>>
> >>> On average, I get around 550 MB/s writes and 800 MB/s reads with 16
> >>> threads
> >>> and 4MB blocks. The numbers don't look fantastic for this hardware, I
> can
> >>> actually push over 8 GB/s of throughput with fio, 16 threads and 4MB
> >>> blocks
> >>> from an RBD client (KVM Linux VM) connected over a low-latency 40G
> >>> network,
> >>> probably hitting some OSD caches there:
> >>>
> >>>   READ: bw=8525MiB/s (8939MB/s), 58.8MiB/s-1009MiB/s
> (61.7MB/s-1058MB/s),
> >>> io=501GiB (538GB), run=60001-60153msec
> >>> Disk stats (read/write):
> >>>  vdc: ios=48163/0, merge=6027/0, ticks=1400509/0, in_queue=1305092,
> >>> util=99.48%
> >>>
> >>> The issue manifests when the same client does something closer to
> >>> real-life
> >>> usage, like a single-thread write or read with 4KB blocks, as if using
> for
> >>> example ext4 file system:
> >>>
> >>>> fio --name=ttt --ioengine=posixaio --rw=write --bs=4k --numjobs=1
> >>> --size=4g --iodepth=1 --runtime=60 --time_based --end_fsync=1
> >>> ...
> >>> Run status group 0 (all jobs):
> >>>  WRITE: bw=120MiB/s (126MB/s), 120MiB/s-120MiB/s (126MB/s-126MB/s),
> >>> io=7694MiB (8067MB), run=64079-64079msec
> >>> Disk stats (read/write):
> >>>  vdc: ios=0/6985, merge=0/406, ticks=0/3062535, in_queue=3048216,
> >>> util=77.31%
> >>>
> >>>> fio --name=ttt --ioengine=posixaio --rw=read --bs=4k --numjobs=1
> >>> --size=4g --iodepth=1 --runtime=60 --time_based --end_fsync=1
> >>> ...
> >>> Run status group 0 (all jobs):
> >>>   READ: bw=54.0MiB/s (56.7MB/s), 54.0MiB/s-54.0MiB/s
> (56.7MB/s-56.7MB/s),
> >>> io=3242MiB (3399MB), run=60001-60001msec
> >>> Disk stats (read/write):
> >>>  vdc: ios=12952/3, merge=0/1, ticks=81706/1, in_queue=56336,
> util=99.13%
> >>>
> >>> And this is a total disaster: the IOPS look decent, but the bandwidth
> is
> >>> unexpectedly very very low. I just don't understand why a single RBD
> >>> client
> >>> writes at 120 MB/s (sometimes slower), and 50 MB/s reads look like a
> bad
> >>> joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> >>>
> >>> When I run these benchmarks, nothing seems to be overloaded, things
> like
> >>> CPU and network are barely utilized, OSD latencies don't show anything
> >>> unusual. Thus I am puzzled with these results, as in my opinion SAS
> HDDs
> >>> with DB/WAL on NVME drives should produce better I/O bandwidth, both
> for
> >>> writes and reads. I mean, I can easily get much better performance
> from a
> >>> single HDD shared over network via NFS or iSCSI.
> >>>
> >>> I am open to suggestions and would very much appreciate comments
> and/or an
> >>> advice on how to improve the cluster performance.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Zakhar
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