Completely aside I have never got Cake SQM to work with connection's beyond about a gigabit biderectional ; without loosing gigabits of throughput even when running on beefy hardware. Has been a problem here for some time now.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 9:36 pm Joel Wirāmu Pauling, <j...@aenertia.net> wrote: > The XG PON ONT units from Nokia/Huawei are coming with only 10G NbaseT > (usually singular port) only in the consumer access space. No SFP+ > > We have rolled out XG PON on the PON side to 70% of the country here (NZ) > over the last 2 years. Only a small % of that are actually making use of > the XGPON on the consumer side and retailers vary in offering it as a > service mainly due to having to truck roll a new ONT and lack of in home > 10G kit on the market. But the access network is there. > > Similar stories in other regions I know of that offer XGPon - lack of > consumer demand, lack of ONTs in the market that are suitable for > residential use. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 9:18 pm Sebastian Moeller, <moell...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> To add to Joel's point, >> >> I can do my own catX cable runs and connect sockets/plugs to the cables, >> but I lack the tools for fiber-splicing... as cool as that would be it is >> going to be hard to justify multi-100s EUR for a splicer.. That still >> leaves short distance in the main computing area of an appartment/house, >> but I doubt that many consumers have a concentration high enough to justify >> the costs even there. >> >> What I do see over here in Europe, with FTTH-roll out speeding up, is CPE >> that offer SFP/SFP+ cages for the WAN side though, SFP+ becoming more >> common since ISPs started to deploy XGS-PON (gross 10Gpbs bidirectionally, >> after FEC ~8.5 Gbps). >> >> >> Regards >> Sebastian >> >> P.S.: I have not started jumping on the 2.5 Gbps or higher train just >> yet, none of my devices seems massively underserved with just 1Gbps yet >> (with the potential exception of a single link where >= 2Gbps would be nice >> since I am one cabe short and >2Gbps would allow to multiplex two 1Gbps >> connections over that cable). >> >> >> > On Dec 16, 2021, at 22:57, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> >> wrote: >> > >> > Yes but as much as I like fibre; it's too fragile for the average >> household structured cabling real world use case. Not to mention nothing >> consumwe comes with SFP+ in the home space. >> > >> > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 10:43 am David Lang, <da...@lang.hm> wrote: >> > another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't >> contribute to >> > ground loops the way that copper cables can. >> > >> > and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any >> electrical >> > disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other >> equipment >> > >> > David Lang >> > >> > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David P. Reed wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks, That's good to know...The whole SFP+ adapter concept has >> seemed to me to be a "tweener" in hardware design space. Too many failure >> points. That said, I like fiber's properties as a medium for distances. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:31pm, "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" < >> j...@aenertia.net> said: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Heat issues you mention with UTP are gone; with the [ 803.bz ]( >> http://803.bz ) stuff (i.e Base-N). >> > > It was mostly due to the 10G-Base-T spec being old and out of line >> with the SFP+ spec ; which led to higher power consumption than SFP+ cages >> were rated to draw and aforementioned heat problems; this is not a problem >> with newer kit. >> > > It went away with the move to smaller silicon processes and now UTP >> based 10G in the home devices are more common and don't suffer from the >> fragility issues of the earlier copper based 10G spec. The AQC chipsets >> were the first to introduce it but most other vendors have finally picked >> it up after 5 years or feet dragging. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:16 AM David P. Reed <[ dpr...@deepplum.com >> ]( mailto:dpr...@deepplum.com )> wrote: >> > > Yes, it's very cheap and getting cheaper. >> > > >> > > Since its price fell to the point I thought was cheap, my home has a >> 10 GigE fiber backbone, 2 switches in my main centers of computers, lots of >> 10 GigE NICs in servers, and even dual 10 GigE adapters in a Thunderbolt 3 >> external adapter for my primary desktop, which is a Skull Canyon NUC. >> > > >> > > I strongly recommend people use fiber and sfp+ DAC cabling because >> twisted pair, while cheaper, actually is problematic at speeds above 1 Gig >> - mostly due to power and heat. >> > > >> > > BTW, it's worth pointing out that USB 3.1 can handle 10 Gb/sec, too, >> and USB-C connectors and cables can carry Thunderbolt at higher rates. >> Those adapters are REALLY CHEAP. There's nothing inherently different about >> the electronics, if anything, USB 3.1 is more complicate logic than the >> ethernet MAC. >> > > >> > > So the reason 10 GigE is still far more expensive than USB 3.1 is >> mainly market volume - if 10 GigE were a consumer product, not a datacenter >> product, you'd think it would already be as cheap as USB 3.1 in computers >> and switches. >> > > >> > > Since DOCSIS can support up to 5 Gb/s, I think, when will Internet >> Access Providers start offering "Cable Modems" that support customers who >> want more than "a full Gig"? Given all the current DOCSIS 3 CMTS's etc. out >> there, it's just a configuration change. >> > > >> > > So when will consumer "routers" support 5 Gig, 10 Gig? >> > > >> > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:20am, "Dave Taht" <[ >> dave.t...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com )> said: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> has really got cheap. >> > >> >> > >> [ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter >> ]( https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter ) >> > >> >> > >> On the other hand users are reporting issues with actually using >> > >> 2.5ghz cable with this router in particular, halving the achieved >> rate >> > >> by negotiating 2.5gbit vs negotiating 1gbit. >> > >> >> > >> [ https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ]( >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> > >> [ https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> ]( https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ) >> > >> >> > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> > >> [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( mailto: >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) >> > >> [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ) >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> > > [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( mailto: >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) >> > > [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >> )_______________________________________________ >> > Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >> >>
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