Thanks for the responses... Two things pop up, First are most of us freelancers?? or work for small companies.....its sounds like most of the people like that where 50 different hats/pets? Second, why are the roles such a unique thing. Most other area's of IT have some very set roles and functions that people do. Where as the web really doesn't.....I really enjoy being able to do the server admin, db, programming and sometimes graphics, all of which are important to doing a good job. just thinking, sometimes I wonder if I can really get better and learn more if I don't do everything.... >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/25/01 03:44PM >>> Ha Ha Been there. The company I worked for that brought me into the CF world was exactly like that. The owner and the lead (only) sales guy only knew a few phrases, "We can do that.", "we can do that, fast and cheap.", and my all time fave, to the developers, "We said we could do X, I have no idea how, or even where to look for examples of previous implementations of X but you have a month to do it. Oh and don't ask the others on the team, we only bid enough for one developer to work on this." That was always a good one :-) Obviously that's the attitude that closes deals, but I've seen enough deals that have worked out fine when the vendor clearly explains the details of what the client wants so that while X sounds easy enough when talking about it conceptually, it's another story programmatically. Sales people always crack me up. J. John Wilker Web Applications Consultant Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer www.red-omega.com <http://www.red-omega.com> Lessons learned from movies: 5. It does not matter if you are heavily outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts, your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked out their predecessors. -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Roles We have a main web designer, a couple of HTML lackeys/secondary designers/banner designers/Shockwave developers, a couple of CF/database programmers, a couple of project managers/data-entry clerks/client contacts/"We already got the client to agree to this functionality without asking you how it will affect the site or its development" nuts, a supreme authority on all things web (ie, the company owner), and a couple of copywriters. Our development and production servers are hosted by another company. Site specs are done by the company owner, the copywriter, the main project manager, and the main designer, usually with little or no input by the people who will actually do the implementation of the functionality. That means that I get to spend a bunch of time saying "I don't care if you already got the client to agree to this, it's impossible to do this without wasting huge amounts of resources" and then having to explain in detail to the copywriter why this is true, even though the copywriter doesn't know anything about development. Once I had to explain why this prepackaged java software couldn't display a random record. It took me three hours to get her to believe me, because "we can do it in ColdFusion so we can do it in this prepackaged java software." Luckily, everyone survived. At 02:08 PM 4/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Here the roles are a bit dynamic, depending on the project. We have 3 >developers that have a lot of overlap. One guy tends to be >operations/admin, one tends to the backend programming, and one mostly does >the web design. > >My experience is that the hardest to do is the actual project specs. The >client never knows what they want until they don't ahve it. And if you ever >make the mistake of asking them if they want something, they'll say "yes". >Still working on how to get out of them what's an "A" requirement, and >what's a "B" requirement. > >--- >Daniel Dewey |"Tell me, and I'll forget. >Systems Developer | Show me, and I may not remember. >MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise) | Involve me, and I'll understand." >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Native American Proverb >http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115 > The National Association of Colleges and Employers > > These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 1:28 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Roles > > >I am just kinda curious what type of different roles people here play. Do >you do the programming, web layout, system admin, db admin, managers...or >are the functions split up, that kinda of stuff. >I am just trying to learn different ways people have their group/team. >Trying to get the most out of people without stretching them to thin.... > >Me, I do everything which in my mind is too much...I'd like someone to >handle the content and someone else handle the db admin...so I can focus on >the apps themselves....... > >Whats your team like? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
