One reply about CF Scalability.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:26 AM
To: CF-partners
Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for the OFFICIAL
Word
Erika,
I don't work for MM, but I should point out that Macromedia's ColdFusion
Server Senior Product Manager is Dave Gruber and the CF Server Product
Manger is Tim Buntel.
CF Server Pro does not scale, how ever CF Server Enterprise (the key bit
being _Enterprise_) does scale and has been able to scale as long as I can
remember (about 6-7 years now).
As standard CF Ent 4.x is supplied with ClusterCats, which is software
server clustering/ip failover, and has the ability to be set up on multiple
servers eg. WebServer --> CF Server --> Database (a very simple example)
using the CFRemote.ini and CFDist.ini (Have a look at the CF documentation)
It is very easy to make a CF application that does not scale, but with
planning (something sadly lacking in the web industry) and good coding
practices, you can build applications like ebags.com, which was one of the
first very large fusebox website and still is running CF and code written
using the Fusebox methodology.
CF5 actually goes a step further. As it has enhanced application monitoring
features, which include customised agents to monitor applications,
integration with enterprise management systems vis snmp and Agent based
hardware load balancing integration.
CF5 will be supported on windows 9x,nt,2000 (with much improved memory
management and other win2k specific improvements), Solaris 2.6/7/8, HPUX II,
Linux Redhat and additionally Linux SuSE and Cobalt.
I could go on quoting the information that was given to the CFUG Managers,
but I hope that this was sufficient to get you started.
Regards
Stephen
Northern UK CUG Manager (http://www.cfug.org.uk/)
Co-Chairman UK CFUG (http://www.ukcfug.org/)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 May 2001 03:49
> To: CF-partners
> Subject: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for the OFFICIAL Word
>
>
> Here's a concern.
>
> Anybody from MM care to make an official statement or point us in the
> direction of something online that gives an official statement on
> what they
> consider ColdFusion useful for? How scalable it is? Etc, etc.?
> What is MM's
> OFFICIAL MARKETING stance on CF's scalability? Rather than
> hearing about it
> in articles, second hand....when maybe a quote wasn't meant in
> that context.
>
> I don't want to feel like a complete total idiot the next time I go to a
> client who wants a shopping cart, and we tell them we can do it in CF, and
> they ask about scalability. I then point them to a dozen
> different websites
> who are using it successfully, and then the client points out an article
> where someone says it doesn't scale and the quote was made by a person who
> works for the company who releases ColdFusion. Huh?
>
> It's widespread articles like the quote from below, that damages our
> recommendations for ColdFusion.
>
> If we are lead to believe in Neo, and how fantastic it will be
> and how great
> it will run on the new Java engine, then can't CF stand up to the best of
> them? And if so, why make such statements like below (posted on various
> lists)? CF can do anything, any other language can do, properly coded and
> using existing technologies to enhance it. I thought that's where we are
> headed with it? Especially with the release of NEO.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >From previous posts (not made by me):
>
> (CF-Community)
> Hopefully Macromedia has excused Philip Costa from further
> employment after
> a statement like that!!
>
> His name sounds familiar, so I hope I'm not berating someone we all
> appreciate, but how could such a quote be given to PC Magazine? ... by
> someone who is hired to evangelize our favorite product - a product we all
> work hard to defend day in and day out?
>
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> (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> Yonah -
>
> I would not be surprised if the original question is a management response
> to a quote from the recent PC Magazine article. From page 139, sidebar,
> "Even officials at Macromedia, which also makes the Java-based application
> server, JRun, agree that
> ColdFusion isn't ideal for high-end business applications. 'You can build
> complex sets of operations in ColdFusion, but the more complex
> they get, the
> less useful it becomes,' explains Philip Costa, senior product marketing
> manager for ColdFusion.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> I know that there has been a lot of talk about scalability and
> CF, and a lot
> of responses about how well it scales. In about three + years of CF
> experience, and dozens of clients with varying levels of traffic
> I can tell
> you that CF scales well but does hit some limits. My company has
> successfully scaled sites to about 10K (100-150K page views per day) user
> sessions a day per CF front end. I'm sure with variations in your
> application and different database platforms you can get that number
> closer to 15K or 20K (we use MS SQL, but I'm sure that you might
> be able to
> get better performance with Oracle or Informix).
>
> The only caveat is that we've seen some performance breakdowns at about
> 100,000 user sessions a day or greater. Granted, that could be a
> limitation
> of the amount of hardware we've allocated , but remember, the
> more hardware
> you have the more you're going to spend in IT costs and h/w management.
> >
> As for ASP - not all sites that have pages with .asp extensions are using
> pure ASP. Many of those sites make use of technologies like DNA, ISAPI and
> MTS. Those are all distributed technologies that have greater access to
> Windows native capabilities and therefore more control over the OS. ASP is
> merely the 'glue' that holds these elements together and contains the HTML
> presentation for these components which generally only process business
> logic. I highly doubt that pure ASP will give you performance or
> scalability
> to the level that Cold Fusion does, and if you are thinking of developing
> heavier-duty applications with COM/DCOM or any of the technologies listed
> above, there is no reason that you can't combine them with CF. In theory,
> you could use CFSCRIPT and CFOBJECT to write the same code you
> would in ASP.
>
> The bottom line, in the real world CF is a hands-down, better option than
> ASP for sites that will service less than 100K users a day, at a minimum.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> The CIO just asked me about CF scalability.
>
> He heard rumors that it does not.
>
> How does it scale compared to ASP?
>
> Is there any documentation that I can present to show scalability?
>
>
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> ----------
> ---------
> Sincere thanks,
>
> Erika
> (with a *K*)
>
> "Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to
> whether our existence has any real significance." - Sir Fred Hoyle
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