For those of you who may have been following the Scalability thread, and
aren't a part of the partners list, I felt compelled to share this statement
from Phil Costa at Macromedia on the CF Scalability issue.
Erika
(with a *K*)
"Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to
stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Costa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:35 PM
To: CF-partners
Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for the OFFICIAL
Wo rd
I do work for Macromedia, and can certainly vouch for the performance of
ColdFusion, which is one of the reasons Half.com uses it. In addition to
Half.com, there are dozens of other large-scale Web sites that use
ColdFusion, including Autobytel and SmartMoney.com. For a more objective
perspective on performance, there is an extensive performance brief on the
Allaire Members Only Web site (accessible to all partners) that provides
benchmarks for ColdFusion 4.5. These are also being updated for ColdFusion
5, which provides dramatically improved performance across all platforms.
As to the comment in the article from PC Magazine, the quotation was
paraphrased and taken out of context, which is unfortunate. We strongly
believe that ColdFusion is a very effective development platform for
high-volume, business-critical Web applications. It's proven itself again
and again in this arena. I tried to make the point that ColdFusion can work
well in a multi-tier environment, and if you want to use other languages to
implement part of your application, ColdFusion offers you that flexibility.
Unfortunately that point was lost. We're committed to building a positive
public image for ColdFusion, and we're going to keep working this issue.
Thanks for your comments. As always, we are dedicated to working harder with
ColdFusion. I'm glad this mailing list has been set up, as it offers a very
good forum for partners like those in this thread to offer comments and
feedback.
Phil Costa
Sr. Product Marketing Manager / Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:38 AM
> To: CF-partners
> Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for
> the OFFICIAL
> Word
>
>
> Stephen,
>
> Thank you very much for your reply! It was much appreciated,
> and will go
> into my compilation unless you'd rather it not.
>
> Still very interested in what MM has to say, and/or anyone
> else for that
> matter. Really trying to put this matter to rest once and for
> all so the
> next time someone throws that "CF doesn't and can't scale"
> statement out
> there, we can throw concrete proof at them.
>
> Erika
> (with a *K*)
>
> "Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with scarcely
> a clue as to
> whether our existence has any real significance." - Sir Fred Hoyle
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:26 AM
> To: CF-partners
> Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for
> the OFFICIAL
> Word
>
>
> Erika,
>
> I don't work for MM, but I should point out that Macromedia's
> ColdFusion
> Server Senior Product Manager is Dave Gruber and the CF Server Product
> Manger is Tim Buntel.
>
> CF Server Pro does not scale, how ever CF Server Enterprise
> (the key bit
> being _Enterprise_) does scale and has been able to scale as
> long as I can
> remember (about 6-7 years now).
>
> As standard CF Ent 4.x is supplied with ClusterCats, which is software
> server clustering/ip failover, and has the ability to be set
> up on multiple
> servers eg. WebServer --> CF Server --> Database (a very
> simple example)
> using the CFRemote.ini and CFDist.ini (Have a look at the CF
> documentation)
>
> It is very easy to make a CF application that does not scale, but with
> planning (something sadly lacking in the web industry) and good coding
> practices, you can build applications like ebags.com, which
> was one of the
> first very large fusebox website and still is running CF and
> code written
> using the Fusebox methodology.
>
> CF5 actually goes a step further. As it has enhanced
> application monitoring
> features, which include customised agents to monitor applications,
> integration with enterprise management systems vis snmp and
> Agent based
> hardware load balancing integration.
> CF5 will be supported on windows 9x,nt,2000 (with much improved memory
> management and other win2k specific improvements), Solaris
> 2.6/7/8, HPUX II,
> Linux Redhat and additionally Linux SuSE and Cobalt.
>
> I could go on quoting the information that was given to the
> CFUG Managers,
> but I hope that this was sufficient to get you started.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen
> Northern UK CUG Manager (http://www.cfug.org.uk/)
> Co-Chairman UK CFUG (http://www.ukcfug.org/)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 18 May 2001 03:49
> > To: CF-partners
> > Subject: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for the
> OFFICIAL Word
> >
> >
> > Here's a concern.
> >
> > Anybody from MM care to make an official statement or point
> us in the
> > direction of something online that gives an official statement on
> > what they
> > consider ColdFusion useful for? How scalable it is? Etc, etc.?
> > What is MM's
> > OFFICIAL MARKETING stance on CF's scalability? Rather than
> > hearing about it
> > in articles, second hand....when maybe a quote wasn't meant in
> > that context.
> >
> > I don't want to feel like a complete total idiot the next
> time I go to a
> > client who wants a shopping cart, and we tell them we can
> do it in CF, and
> > they ask about scalability. I then point them to a dozen
> > different websites
> > who are using it successfully, and then the client points
> out an article
> > where someone says it doesn't scale and the quote was made
> by a person who
> > works for the company who releases ColdFusion. Huh?
> >
> > It's widespread articles like the quote from below, that damages our
> > recommendations for ColdFusion.
> >
> > If we are lead to believe in Neo, and how fantastic it will be
> > and how great
> > it will run on the new Java engine, then can't CF stand up
> to the best of
> > them? And if so, why make such statements like below
> (posted on various
> > lists)? CF can do anything, any other language can do,
> properly coded and
> > using existing technologies to enhance it. I thought that's
> where we are
> > headed with it? Especially with the release of NEO.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >From previous posts (not made by me):
> >
> > (CF-Community)
> > Hopefully Macromedia has excused Philip Costa from further
> > employment after
> > a statement like that!!
> >
> > His name sounds familiar, so I hope I'm not berating someone we all
> > appreciate, but how could such a quote be given to PC
> Magazine? ... by
> > someone who is hired to evangelize our favorite product - a
> product we all
> > work hard to defend day in and day out?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > Yonah -
> >
> > I would not be surprised if the original question is a
> management response
> > to a quote from the recent PC Magazine article. From page
> 139, sidebar,
> > "Even officials at Macromedia, which also makes the
> Java-based application
> > server, JRun, agree that
> > ColdFusion isn't ideal for high-end business applications.
> 'You can build
> > complex sets of operations in ColdFusion, but the more complex
> > they get, the
> > less useful it becomes,' explains Philip Costa, senior
> product marketing
> > manager for ColdFusion.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > I know that there has been a lot of talk about scalability and
> > CF, and a lot
> > of responses about how well it scales. In about three + years of CF
> > experience, and dozens of clients with varying levels of traffic
> > I can tell
> > you that CF scales well but does hit some limits. My company has
> > successfully scaled sites to about 10K (100-150K page views
> per day) user
> > sessions a day per CF front end. I'm sure with variations in your
> > application and different database platforms you can get that number
> > closer to 15K or 20K (we use MS SQL, but I'm sure that you might
> > be able to
> > get better performance with Oracle or Informix).
> >
> > The only caveat is that we've seen some performance
> breakdowns at about
> > 100,000 user sessions a day or greater. Granted, that could be a
> > limitation
> > of the amount of hardware we've allocated , but remember, the
> > more hardware
> > you have the more you're going to spend in IT costs and h/w
> management.
> > >
> > As for ASP - not all sites that have pages with .asp
> extensions are using
> > pure ASP. Many of those sites make use of technologies like
> DNA, ISAPI and
> > MTS. Those are all distributed technologies that have
> greater access to
> > Windows native capabilities and therefore more control over
> the OS. ASP is
> > merely the 'glue' that holds these elements together and
> contains the HTML
> > presentation for these components which generally only
> process business
> > logic. I highly doubt that pure ASP will give you performance or
> > scalability
> > to the level that Cold Fusion does, and if you are thinking
> of developing
> > heavier-duty applications with COM/DCOM or any of the
> technologies listed
> > above, there is no reason that you can't combine them with
> CF. In theory,
> > you could use CFSCRIPT and CFOBJECT to write the same code you
> > would in ASP.
> >
> > The bottom line, in the real world CF is a hands-down,
> better option than
> > ASP for sites that will service less than 100K users a day,
> at a minimum.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > The CIO just asked me about CF scalability.
> >
> > He heard rumors that it does not.
> >
> > How does it scale compared to ASP?
> >
> > Is there any documentation that I can present to show scalability?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > ---------
> > Sincere thanks,
> >
> > Erika
> > (with a *K*)
> >
> > "Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with
> scarcely a clue as to
> > whether our existence has any real significance." - Sir Fred Hoyle
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
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