You're delusional if you think that Racism isn't still a problem in the United 
States.

According to National US Census data in 2000, 89.5% of CEOs were White.
75.1% of Human Resource Managers were White, but only 72.8% of the entire 
working population of 137,668,735  in the US was White...

And you DON’T see a problem?
There is a considerable amount of Non Whites in the workforce but they ARENT 
CEOs or getting into Management positions. Are you
trying to say that it's because so many of them just aren't qualified?? 

And even if you ascribe to this nebulous thinking, then why not? Is it because 
they weren't given the same oppurtunities at a
secondary and tertiary education level as Whites? Or is it because they're just 
plain dumber than Caucasians?

In 1996 Affirmative action programs in California and Washington were 
cancelled, with the result that enrollment by Non Whites to
California's Top Universities plummeted. I suppose you see this as a good 
thing, and not a sign of there being a problem in the
United States that needs addressing.

Affirmative Action was to enable talented people to enter various occupations 
and educational programs without regard to race
(Macionis,1995), however due to the prevalent Racist status quo in the US in 
practice Affirmative Action means that employers and
college admissions carefully monitor hiring and promotion to eliminate 
discriminated against Minorities. To combat this racist
practice some organisations used quotas under which specific numbers of 
qualified minotiryt members would be accepted to fill vacant
positions.(Zastrow & Kirst-Ashman,1997). So the 'quota' thing was as a result 
of Racism and of Caucasian business owners and
admissions faculty resisting the spirit of the original Affirmative Action 
proposals and intentionally making it difficult to
impossible for Non Whites to get hired, or to get into top universities. This 
has been DOCUMENTED and the documents, surveys and
results have been thoroughly scrutinised on ALL sides and have been held to be 
correct, and hence the REASOn for Affirmative Action
in the first place! 

What are you saying that suddenly in 2004,2005 things have all changed? Several 
studies hold that you are quite incorrect, and are
either experiencing cognitive dissonance or being criminally disingenuous.

For years many African Americans and Minorites have been discriminated against 
in your country and prevented from participating in
the most desirable jobs and universities simply because of their race! Even 
when this was declared unconstitutional the practice
still persisted! (Beuchamp and Bowie,1993).African Americans in particular 
still face a variety of institutionalised racism and
racially motivated negative actions that their Caucasian counterparts do not 
face.Some of the major problems are their being
channeled into minority positions, lack of access to network and mentors, 
promotion and advancement difficulties and emotional and
psychological maltreatment (Queralt, 1996)

Qualified African Americans and other minorities are routinely passed over for 
jobs and promotions in favour of less qualified
Caucasian males (McCoy,1994) For example in 1995 about 40 percent of managers 
were women, while 97 percent of Senior managers of
Fortune 1000 Industrial and Fortune 500 companies were Caucasian with 96% of 
them being males. In Fortune 2000 Industrial and
service companies, 5 percent of Senior Managers were women, and virtually ALL 
of them were Caucasian. (Kilborn 1995).

North America has a history of mistreatment and discrimination against Afircan 
Americans and this demands that an effective policy
be put in place to protect them from Human Rights Abuses. White Americans have 
perpetrated these crimes against the human and civil
rights of this race of people, not the other way around.Get angry about it, try 
to deny it all you want, but you *Cannot*. This is
the truth. White Americans aren't even experiencing a *Fraction* of what Non 
Whites experience in the American workplace and look at
the outcry! Look at the calls about 'Injustice'!

I find it utterly incredulous that you could say that there is no problem with 
Racism in the US! What possible facts beside
frivilous anecdotal evidence do you have to back up such an absurd statement??

""We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that 
they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of 
Happiness ..."

That's from a formely important document in the United States...do you know 
what it is?

-Gel 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

There's not a problem and I know that from my own experience.

If your question is, has all prejudice been eliminated, the answer is no but it 
never will be.  My point is that the problem is
small enough that, effectively, it doesn't exist.

Any woman, black, minority - anyone - can study hard, get into a good school, 
work hard, and get a top job with a top firm in any
field.  No problem.

There may be discrimination along the way - for example, the Bear-Stearns guys 
may have a preference for bar lovin drinkers or loose
women over smart people that are neither of those things - but you can go to 
another firm and it's their loss.


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