I just read the study and find it fairly convincing. It seems that if your name is Jamal or LaToya employers don't even read the rest of the resume.
Dana On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:07:19 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael, > > You can read the paper here: > > http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/?prof_id=mullain&type=paper > > The names were, pardon the expression, fairly lilly white. > > The authors did address many of the same concerns. > > larry > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:55:06 -0500, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And what of other 'ethnic' names, regardless of color? What of Jewish > > sounding, German sounding, Asian sounding, etc. Correlation does not imply > > causation. Was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name as in the 'blackness of it > > or was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name across the board? Will a > > Shemaryahu (my youngest's name) be judged as 'black' because it's obviously > > not white? Was this aspect even looked at? > > Just playing devil's advocate here. I did experimental psych, statistics and > > social psych. The devil is in the details as to what the results actually > > mean and if something was missed. > > > > > The study itself just looked at "Black" vs "White" names for a total > > > of 36 names all told. (black vs white, male vs female - as an aside > > > the "female" resumes got significantly fewer callbacks as well). > > > > > > As for the discriminating, the study only sent the resumes in response > > > to job ads placed by companies in the Boston or Chicago areas, so > > > those doing the discrimination were the hiring managers in real > > > companies > > > > > > What it means is that all things equal, these employers were more > > > likely to call back someone with a "white" name over a "black" name, > > > even when the resumes were for all intents an purposes the same. > > > > > > Ergo it would appear that your hypothesis that AA is no longer needed > > > is not tenable. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:40 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > It's unclear if we're supposed to kill thread, but, personally I like > > > > it! Anyway, I know that says something, but I'm not sure it proves > > > > anything. I'd toss out 3 questions: > > > > > > > > 1.) Who's doing the discriminating? Blacks or whites or other? Man or > > > woman? > > > > > > > > 2.) Does that really mean we need special program to force employers > > > > to accept a quota of minorities, or does it mean we need a program to > > > > do this sort of study and ask the screeners why they didn't call back > > > > the "black" names? Possibly with consequences attached to specific > > > > findings? That is, is AA the right "solution" to the right problem? > > > > > > > > 3.) Is this just for black names, but not for other minorities, i.e., > > > > women, hispanics, Asians, etc.? Isn't a problem we have right now > > > > that there are too many Americans not taking low paying jobs so we > > > > have to import Mexicans that are more than willing to work (and do)? > > > > That is, why do blacks have problems getting jobs, but Mexicans seem > > > > to be taking too many? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:145686 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
