oh I think it is a *right*, it just is not respected everywhere.
Nelson Mandela *always* had a right to be free, but it didn't keep him
from spending twenty years in jail.

Dana

On 7/28/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even if locked in a cell for 20 years, I'd rather have free will than
> not. Ask Mandela if he would agree (he has said he does).
> 
> Free will is not something that can be taken (easily). It is something
> that can be given up, though, which is a shame. That is the major
> problem I have with many organized religions.
> 
> Liberty is something that can be taken at almost any time. It is also
> something to fight for.
> 
> If you are talking about liberty in the sense of movement, choices,
> etc. then I agree that man is born with those rights.. But if you are
> talking about liberty in the sense of voting (which is a societal
> construct), land ownership, etc, then that is not a divine or natural
> right but a man-given societal right.
> 
> I think.
> 
> On 7/28/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What good is one without the other?
> 
> 

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