It matters as we consider the influence of powerful people. This site gives you the opportunity to see the relationship between people of power. These individuals are often interlinked on numerous corporate boards. This site gives you the change to explore these networks. It would be hard to find out this information yourself without spending hours researching... You can also make custom views and add comments. I think it's a good example of a democratic web site that isn't all about information being pushing onto the viewer and more about community.
Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:55 PM Subject: RE: They rule > Interesting graphics. But why does it matter? > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:27 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: They rule > > > With recent discussion concerning corporate responsibilities, I think people > might be interested in this. It was made by Josh On of futurefamers. > > I first saw it a Fresh Conference in Sydney... > great site... very timely > http://www.theyrule.net/ > > Benjamin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > see my last post beth. > > I'm not holding any grudges... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > Well, actually Benjamin, we already had this discussion. Since neither > > > of > > > you is interested in actually listening to what other folks have to > > > say, and > > > you keep resorting to personal insults, there is no point in continuing > > > it. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:26 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrulations Beth, > > > > > > > > > > You should print up some stickers. Maybe a badge or two. Run > > > > > a campain. Just > > > > > don't bother with real discussion. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:14 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howard has hit it on the head here: > > > > > > > > > > > > According to YOU gary, anyone who believes that the US has > > > > > a right to > > > > > > military action in Afghanistan is a war monger who wants to > > > > > kill all of > > > > > > the > > > > > > afghan people, particularly the women and children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its YOU who sees this in black and white, not us. I > > > > > personally resent > > > > > > being > > > > > > called a war monger - it makes me very angry. I think it > > > > > makes other > > > > > > people > > > > > > here angry as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:08 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, first off, I didn't attack anybody and I don't > > > > > appreciate being > > > > > > > generalized in with these others you lump me in with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that many, many people do what you say -- you don't > > > agree > > > > > > with XYZ > > > > > > > so you must be anti-American. I've had the same thing done to > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > I wasn't calling anybody anti-American. And if you read > > > > > my posts in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > series carefully, you'll see I made it clear what I was saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boiling down is a bit of a cliché, but it's a valid > > > > intellectual > > > > > > argument. > > > > > > > All propositions, if valid, can be "boiled down" to basic, > > > > > > understandable > > > > > > > terms. Sometimes, only when we strip away a lot of verbiage do > > > > > > > we > > > > > > even > > > > > > > understand what we ourselves are saying. I was hoping to > > > > > point out to > > > > > > a > > > > > > > particular individual that maybe what he was saying wasn't > > > really > > > > > > what he > > > > > > > intended, or if it was what he intended, it wasn't very savory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the flip side, I also see a lot of -- and I feel like > > > > > I'm getting > > > > > > this > > > > > > > from you and Benjamin -- if you don't agree with me, you > > > > > are either a > > > > > > > boob-tube zombie or a neo-Nazi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very easy to label people. It means you don't need > > > > > to examine > > > > > > their > > > > > > > position for any possible validity. For example, those > > > > > who call you > > > > > > > anti-American because you don't support (supposedly) military > > > > > > tribunals, > > > > > > > give you an excuse not to examine any arguments in favor > > > > > of military > > > > > > > tribunals (and they are numerous; if it wasn't so late I > > > > > would list > > > > > > them > > > > > > > now -- maybe tomorrow evening). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also bothered by your statement: "What has the War In > > > > > > Afghanistan > > > > > > > (America's Next War, ad infinitum)... done so far? We really > > > > don't > > > > > > know. > > > > > > > Sure, there are some women without birquas(sp) on. And > > > > > some men have > > > > > > > shaved > > > > > > > beards. But have we actually stopped terrorism > > > > > > > at all?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you expect? Terrorism to be wiped out in two > > > > > months? Really? > > > > > > > Honestly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have made tremendous progress in a very short amount of time > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Afghanistan. The war has advanced faster than I ever > > > > > imagine, even > > > > > > in > > > > > > > factoring in our military superiority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't you been listening -- this "war" will take years. > > > > > It's only > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > that it would. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost certainly, America will be attacked again. So why be > > > > > > surprised at > > > > > > > suicide bombers in Israel. Hell, we have hardly even focused > > > > much > > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > on that problem yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, just what are your expectations? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:37 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether Howard meant to do this intentionally or not, this is a > > > > > > common > > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > in American media (on both sides), maybe in others. > > > > > "Boiling it down" > > > > > > can > > > > > > > oversimplify complex issues and make them seem out of > > > > > context. Watch > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > O'Reilly, he is a master at this. It is a common tool. We are > > > > > > increasingly > > > > > > > being taught to NOT be skeptical of our leaders and their > > > > > agendas or > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > afraid to question their actions for fear of a personal attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been attacked in here for my same views. This type > > > > > of attack > > > > > > was > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > by McCarthy and Reagan. "If you don't agree with us, you > > > > > must not be > > > > > > with > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > and you must agree with the other side." It is happening > > > > > in the news > > > > > > and > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > politics everyday in America. It happens in this group. Don't > > > > > > support the > > > > > > > war? You must be anti-American (re: Beth saying I should leave > > > > > > America > > > > > > > because I exercise the very rights I and others have served in > > > > the > > > > > > armed > > > > > > > forces to protect). Think maybe the way America has > > > > > exploited other > > > > > > > countries and pissed some people off? You must be > > > > > un-American. Think > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Attorney General is a right-wing, neo-Nazi sympathizer > > > > > (see his past > > > > > > > writings and remarks)? Think these new tribunals and > > > anti-terror > > > > > > > legislation > > > > > > > are knee-jerk? You must be anti-American. "Get with the program > > > > > > soldier" > > > > > > > ("FMJ"). Who's side are you on? Etc. Etc. No real effort > > > > > is made to > > > > > > > understand the other side of the argument, just attack > > > > > the arguer (ad > > > > > > > hominem). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has the War In Afghanistan (America's Next War, ad > > > > > infinitum)... > > > > > > done > > > > > > > so far? We really don't know. Sure, there are some women > > > without > > > > > > > birquas(sp) > > > > > > > on. And some men have shaved beards. But have we actually > > > stopped > > > > > > > terrorism > > > > > > > at all? Have we helped unleash a civil war? Laid the > > > > > ground for one? > > > > > > After > > > > > > > the attacks in Israel, I would say no. In a year or two, when > > > the > > > > > > > political > > > > > > > capital of Afghanistan has been spent and we realize what > > > > > the war is > > > > > > > costing, people will go back to watching "news" of OJ or > > > > > endless talk > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > some other trivial subject (Condit comes to mind or > > > > > sports). I think > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are more sports channels than "news" channels. Feed the > > > > > distractions. > > > > > > > Opium > > > > > > > for the masses. Cheap to make and people will pay a > > > > > fortune for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW - I have heard zero on the news about the cost, and I > > > > > am talking > > > > > > the > > > > > > > nightly or daily news, not some obscure web source I have to > > > > track > > > > > > down, I > > > > > > > am talking what most Americans will see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I am tired. Good night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:04 AM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you feel the need to "boil down" my statements? I > > > don't > > > > > > > > doubt it was > > > > > > > > an honest attempt on your part, but why is it nessasary? In > > > > your > > > > > > case it > > > > > > > > seems your 'honest' attempt at boiling down my statements was > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your then to manipulate my statements to gain support from > > > > other > > > > > > > > members on > > > > > > > > this board and discredit my original intentions. In > > > > > short, to put > > > > > > words > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > my mouth. Nothing in my posts are indicated my > > > > > agreeing/condoning > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > taliban, yet you sarcasically impied this with your post > > > along > > > > > > > > with labeling > > > > > > > > my words "liberal mantra". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see a distinct difference between news and truth or > > > > 'reality'. > > > > > > > > If you take > > > > > > > > one of my previous metaphors, truth (the ingrediant) is > > > > > sugar, but > > > > > > coke > > > > > > > > (corporate news) is not sugar, it may be based on > > > > > sugar, but there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > nothing natural or real about it. It's a consumable > > > commodity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my objection put simply. I do condone the sterotyping > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Palastinians into "American hating terrorists" by people who > > > > use > > > > > > > > the 'street > > > > > > > > celebration' footage as an example. This is a gross > > > > > generalisation > > > > > > > > equivelent to called all americans "fat fast food > > > > > addicted ignorant > > > > > > > > war-loving facists". Neither of these two description > > > > > are fair and > > > > > > > > demonstrate radical ignorance. The corporate news is in part > > > > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > > this ignorance. This is my objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:52 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you want to turn an honest attempt to > > > > > boil down > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > statements to their most basic terms (and give you a > > > > > chance to > > > > > > > respond > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > correct any misunderstanding) as an attack. I wasn't > > > > attacking > > > > > > > > you. I was > > > > > > > > > attacking the idea that we shouldn't draw conclusion when > > > > > > > > presented with, > > > > > > > > > what even you described as factual, news accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see you trying to play both sides of the fence -- > > > > > the news is > > > > > > > biased, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > it's factual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't have it both ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a journalist, I also take offense at your > > > narrow-sighted, > > > > > > > uninformed > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > of how a news operation works. It's the old thing -- > > > > > people who > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to hear the truth blame the messenger. And then deride any > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > says, > > > > > > > > > "Hey, maybe it's not the messenger's fault." It's a very > > > > > > convenient > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > to be in -- you can cast aspersions all around > > > > > without ever being > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > position to honestly face your own biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:28 PM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You read into my words through your own stereotypical view > > > of > > > > > > > > non-mainstream > > > > > > > > > thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My original post concerned the discussion surrounding the > > > so > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > 'celebrating Palastinians'. My critisism was limited to a > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > concerning oppinions on this footage. Having said > > > > > that, I don't > > > > > > > welcome > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > putting words in my mouth concerning my position on > > > > > the Taliban > > > > > > > > and their > > > > > > > > > oppressive regime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've attempted to discredit my criticism of corporate > > > owned > > > > > > media by > > > > > > > > > insinuating that I support the Taliban because I mistrust > > > the > > > > > > news. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > conclusions are weak. You can label my words as > > > > > "liberal mantra" > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > wish, but in my oppinion this does your position no > > > > > credit as it > > > > > > > implies > > > > > > > > > you're more interested in labels and stereotypes then a > > > > > > > > discussion of any > > > > > > > > > real depth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep watching television Howard. It appears to do you a lot > > > > > > > of > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:17 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to misstate what you're saying, but let me > > > > boil > > > > > > down > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > what I hear you saying: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The news may be factually correct, though the > > > > > nuance may be > > > > > > off > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of entertainment values -- therefore, the "real" > > > > > news is some > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > obscured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Because the "news" has been remanufactured to a > > > degree, > > > > > > > > and no longer > > > > > > > > > > reflects the raw, unvarnished truth, it is offensive to > > > > base > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > > > > this "newstainment." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I understanding you correctly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, we should not condemn the Taliban for beating, > > > > > > stoning > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > murdering women because, by golly, we learned about it on > > > a > > > > > > > > network news > > > > > > > > > > show. And it was edited. And who knows what was left out. > > > A > > > > > > Taliban > > > > > > > > denial > > > > > > > > > > maybe? Or possibly a Taliban apology ("We didn't > > > > > mean to stone > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > to death -- the rock just slipped. Sorry.") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that really what you're saying. I mean, because > > > > > that's what > > > > > > I > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > saying. And I find it pretty offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the facts are correct, it matters little how they are > > > > > > > > delivered. And > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > amount of political correctness (in this case, the > > > liberal > > > > > > > > mantra of we > > > > > > > > > > shouldn't criticize other "cultures") can possibly > > > > > justify what > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Taliban > > > > > > > > > > has done to women and dissenters within Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not certain how you arrived at such an exaggerated > > > > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > original post. But allow me at least the > > > > > oppertunity to expand > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > perspetive > > > > > > > > > > before you sarcastically attack my posts once more, > > > > > even though > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > > post was not even address to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may have refered to television (and this can be > > > > > broadened to > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > corporately own/operated news service) as > > > > > manufactured, but I > > > > > > > > did not in > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > way insinuate that the 'stories' were myth. News services > > > > > > (mostly) > > > > > > > > deliver > > > > > > > > > > their content in a highly constructed way. News is like > > > > coka > > > > > > > > cola; coke > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > based on sugar, a 'real world' ingredient, just as the > > > > > > "oppression > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > afghanistan women" may too be 'real world', but the end > > > > > > > > result delivered > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > the news services is nothing 'natural'... it is a > > > > > manufacured > > > > > > > > construct > > > > > > > > > > intentionally mixed to produce the desired effect. > > > > > This is how > > > > > > I > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > corporate news services. Most of what is aired looks no > > > > > > > > different from, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > indeed reflects the kind of news approach highlighted by > > > > the > > > > > > > nineties > > > > > > > > film > > > > > > > > > > "Wag the Dog". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Images are carefully selected, edited and cut with > > > emotive > > > > > > music and > > > > > > > > > > commentry designed to promote a certain perspective. > > > > Exactly > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > perspective/interests/politics represented are beyond the > > > > > > > > reach of this > > > > > > > > > > discussion, but the net effect of these kinds of > > > > > presentations > > > > > > are > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > all dissimilar to those effects achieved by the > > > > > entertainment > > > > > > > industry > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > News is entertainment/entertainment is news. I find > > > making > > > > > > > judgements > > > > > > > > upon > > > > > > > > > > other peoples/cultures etc based on this kind of > > > > information > > > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall a previous post by Gary that brought up the lack > > > > > > > on > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > investigative reporting in the main stream news. My > > > > oppinion > > > > > > > > on the news > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > an extension of this logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did you hear it! The oppression of afghanistan women > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > myth, made > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > the media. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin, I heard about the plight of afghani > > > > > women several > > > > > > > > years ago > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > an afghan woman came to speak at a university. > > > > > Did she make > > > > > > it up > > > > > > > > too? > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > she in on the big media conspiracy? Were the stories > > > she > > > > > > told of > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > being killed for walking down the street with a man > > > whom > > > > > > > > they weren't > > > > > > > > > > > married to made up too? Were the stories of female > > > > lawyers > > > > > > > > and doctors > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > up too? And she left afghanistan not because she was > > > > > > > no > > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > practice law there, but just to spread these lies > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > taliban rule? All those underground schools to > > > > > teach girls > > > > > > dont' > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > > right - because under the taliban rule girls WERE > > > > > allowed to > > > > > > go to > > > > > > > > > school? > > > > > > > > > > > And all this information I received prior to 9/11 - it > > > > was > > > > > > > > made up for > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > REASON? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, all the people in afghanistan listening to > > > > > music again, > > > > > > > shaving > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > beards, taking off their masks, they weren't really > > > > > > > > oppressed its just > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > media invention, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The western media is at best, extrodinatily > > > > > limited in it's > > > > > > > > > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'real people' in the middle east (or media > > > > > east as it's > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > us). > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it's representation is more often > > > > > designed to > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > > > of discussion by manufacture of 'stories' (one of > > > these > > > > > > being > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrating Palistinians, another being the > > > > > oppression of > > > > > > women > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Aphganistan for example). These stories are the > > > > > developed > > > > > > and > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > > > referencial, repeated over and over by all media > > > > outlets > > > > > > > > until they > > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > the measure of oppinion polls on presidencial > > > > > popularity. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > simplify > > > > > > > > > > > > polarize and synthasize politics and culture > > > > > for the fast > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > culture > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > is America. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There were a LOT more than 1 woman and 5 > > > > > kids. There > > > > > > were > > > > > > > PA > > > > > > > > > police > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking camera's away from reporters to avoid the > > > news > > > > > > from it. > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > letters of protest from the AP and Reuters over it. > > > I > > > > > > > > know people > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Israel and have first hand reports as do > > > > > many others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The rumor that it was old footage was debunked. > > > It > > > > > > > > started with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > student in Argentina and spread. It was real > > > footage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I don't condemn any Palestinian for the actions > > > of > > > > > > some > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > > > people who take pride and happiness in the > > > > > suffering of > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As or your second quesion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >First, that clip of a women dancing and five kids > > > > > > > > > > > > > >clapping there hands, I wouldnt realy know > > > > > how that is > > > > > > > > > > > > > >considred 'my people', last time i checked, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Palestinian population was not reprented by a > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and 5 kids, and yes, a car passing by blowings its > > > > > > > > > > > > > >horn...Second, CNN, which first aired the clip, > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and still is accused of airing an old clip which > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > >taking during the Iraq war, except , sadly, no > > > media > > > > > > > > > > > > > >outlet would ever let the story run, nor deny or > > > > > > > > > > > > > >confirm the reports.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now i dont know if that is right or wrong, I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > >believe that YES, its very possible that there > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > >exist a palestinian women who danced in the > > > streets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and its so re-assuring that a camera somehow > > > > > found her > > > > > > > > > > > > > >dancing and aired her image, two hours after the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >incident.....I would think there would be more > > > > > > > > > > > > > >pressing issues at that time,but i guess a > > > > > Palestinian > > > > > > > > > > > > > >women supposedly dancing in the streets of > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Palestine,is more important than the those tens > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >thousands of casualties and the chaos that was > > > > > > > > > > > > > >happening here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I guess the Palestinians where just about to > > > > > get there > > > > > > > > > > > > > >independence and your blessings, and this women > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and screwed everything up for us!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, the women was kinda a heavy set, so i wouldnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > >realy call it "Jumping up for Joy", the poor old > > > > lady > > > > > > > > > > > > > >could barely walk, but she was eating sweets, > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > >does probably translate to her as jumping up for > > > > > > > > > > > > > >joy!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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