Given human beings' love of truth, justice, peace and freedom,
creating a better, more compassionate world is a genuine possibility.
The potential is there.

The Dali Lamas words, but as close to a definition of pacifism as I
can think of. You have to remember that I am a Buddhist and the
intention is the important thing in buddhism, I try work towards a
world where each life has the potential to live in peace and move
towards enlightenment - I don't always get it right (I am far from
being an awakened being) but I do try. If we all tried to minimise the
violence around us the world could be a very different place.


On 12/18/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wayne wrote:
> > called all sorts of names, after being laughed at and derided, the
> > "loonies" are being proved right about things like human rights, the
> > environment, corrupt corporations and governments etc.
> >
>
> I totally agree with you on all of the issues you mention.  I'm just
> commenting on pacifism.
>
> A true pacifist must be willing to stand down when they, their family,
> or anyone is physically attacked.  If they believe in using violence
> for defense, then they are not a pacifist.
>
> Soldiers, at least western soldiers, are trained to defend themselves,
> their families, and other innocents from violent attack.  This is
> quite different from your description of "killing just because someone
> told them to".
>
> You misunderstand.  Soldiers are trained at organized defense against
> those that would do you or your wife harm.  Put another way, soldiers
> are willing to defend those who cannot or will not defend themselves.
> And they are trained to do this as a team.
>
> If protecting your wife from harm means killing an aggressor, then a
> soldier will do that.  If you are also willing to use violence to
> protect your wife, then you and the soldier are no different in your
> willingness to kill.
>
> 

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