Re: "literal 6-days of creation" - I once got a great explanation on that
from a wonderfully wise, witty Rabbi. I asked how he reconciled "6 days"
with the evidence of the age of the earth being billions of years and life
in many millions.  

He said "tell me, Ben - how long is one day in the lifetime of God?"

That one question made me realize how applicable is the phrase "everything's
relative" and taking things literally that were perhaps meant to be
metaphorical may not be correct.

-Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:26 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Religious argument in the US... Why?


Exactly, and to paraphrase Howard's excellent post, as my girlfriend is 
fond of saying, what else can you expect from a country founded by 
Puritans...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's my take, FWIW.
<snip>
> 
> For the record, not all creationists believe in a literal 6-days of
> creation. To believe God created the Heavens and the Earth is not to throw
> out all science and all evidence of evolution. What many people object to
is
> the teaching of evolution, with no push or guidance from a creator -- a
> godless evolution, as a form of intellectual dishonesty (evolution is,
after
> all, just a theory),

The majority of creationists don't even believe in the Christian God 
either. Which creationist theory shall we teach?
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mreligio.html
This page shows almost 2 billion Christians worldwide, with Atheists at 
1.7 billion, and the rest of the religions having about 2.3 billion 
followers. Christians win but are still in the minority of humans.

I can see it now, "Class there may be some higher being out there, but 
we don't know where, who, how, or what it is, but it might be there. We 
may figure it out when we DIE, depending on which theory you believe in 
though. Please write a 2 page report for homework." There is nothing to 
teach. Either you believe or you dont. Promoting faith is what the 
church does, not school teachers. I succinctly remember my science 
teachers saying that some people do not believe in evolution. What else 
would you have them do?

Evolution is not a theory. Many may believe that evolution in human's is 
theory, but to totally ignore the huge amount of scientific data that 
proves that every other form of life on earth evolves is extremely 
narrow minded. I'm not even going to argue this point.

Perhaps it's this kind of narrow mindedness is why secularists want to 
keep religion out of their lives. You said it yourself, Darwin wasn't so 
sure that there was not a God. He was open minded. Believing in a power 
that has not been observed by any human instrument, while discarding 
facts that have been proven, is not open minded. There is a chance 
creationists are right, but they are definately not open minded about 
it.That's not to say that there is no higher being, it just shows that 
there is nothing to teach. There are no facts.

You also leave out the fact that not all creationists believe that 
evolution and creationism are incompatible.


jon (active-minded ;-))




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