I don't think that "new versions" of history are being written. I can say
this because that is currently what I am studying in college right now. And
the fact of the matter is the founders of this country were religious men.
And yes, although they are not considered "Christians" by today's standards,
they are none the less religious men who let their religious values shape
this country. Like separation of church and state for example. It does not
mean that there is not a place for religion in the government; it means that
the government should not regulate religion, that we can be free to pursue
our religious beliefs without fear of persecution such as the British were.
By allowing their fundamental religious values shape the way they thought is
what I am talking about.

There is proof that these were religious men as well. Several quotes exist
from nearly all of the signers of the constitution as well as many other
great statesmen and government officials that reference the existence of a
Higher Being.

I can only assume that your reference to the Treaty of Tripoli infers that I
am stating that this country was founded as a religious country because it
says the opposite, that this country was not founded as a religious country.
That is not what I am saying at all.

Again, I am merely saying that the religious and secular values of these
great men helped them shape America.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)


Oh, I don't know. It probably got lost behind the couch along with a lot 
of other "facts" that aren't true. Cleaning is a bitch, easier to sweep 
up over things and make up new versions of history.

For some further insight into these sorts of issues, I recommend looking 
up the Treaty of Tripoli, considering how many of the Founding Fathers 
were Unitarians and not at all your standard "Christians" and consider 
the folks that were against the Bill of Rights because they were afraid 
that damn fools in the future would consider it as a document limiting 
our liberties by enumerating them.

Natural rights, my friend. That's what the country was founded on. The 
government derives its powers from the will and consent of the governed. 
And those people come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicities and, yes, 
religions. We may not have always acted like it, but I do believe that 
America has tried to hold up that as a goal since its inception. I just 
wish it would remember it a bit more now and then.

Judah



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