On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Jim D wrote: > And what reasons do you have to trust the Hadley Center more than NASA? > Note that you didn't say "there's conflicting evidence" - you stated the > Hadley Center's figures (those figures that support your view) as fact. >
None. Call it 2005 or 1998, it doesn't matter. > > That article is clear: the trend is upwards. Despite anomalies the trend > is > upward. Warming is a fact. Granted the trend may end tomorrow or next > year > or continue for millennia... but our current evidence that it will > continue. > But that's exactly the point. > > The fossil record gives us good information for much of Earth's history - > as > you note there is much evidence that the Earth has had warming periods... > although you accept that science unquestioningly. The exact same > methodologies (often the exact same scientists) resulted in the evidence > that you rejected when it doesn't match your opinion. > I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledged that 1998 (or 2005 as you quote from NASA) was the warmest year humans have recorded. What I dispute is the leap of faith from evidence of a short term warming trend to the conclusion that humans caused it. > When there's not actual evidence to support the claims you rely on ad > hominem: the scientists are personally motivated, there's ambiguous > financial reasons involved, there's a concerted effort to hide the "truth" > - > they're all hacks and liars. > I don't think scientists in general are personally motivated, or hacks and liars. Are politicians and film producers like Al Gore and Michael Moore? (Or Mel Gibson, for that matter...,not that he's involved in the climate debate, but he's such a loon I couldn't resist.) > > I'll happily agree that some people (and generally not the scientists > producing the evidence) are creating (or attempting to create) an > unwarranted hysteria concerning climate change. But you're using that > information to end discussion on the topic, that I can't agree with. > I'm not trying to end discussion on the topic. I like the discussion. I will happily acknowledge real evidence that humans are responsible for global warming. Call me very, very skeptical of that conclusion with the available facts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:258055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
