Your money analogy does not wash with me since it cannot be applied to this scenario. In the context of this conversation, I say it is careless to say we plan to surrender in X months. Obama says he wants to be as careful coming out as we were careless going in, that means that when the situation permits, whenever that is, then we can safely start pulling back troops. Kind of like what is happening now. GW is considering cutting back by at least one brigade this fall and having a brigade already in theater fill the gap. So even if this happens, you still cannot say in X months everyone will be out. And besides, if Obama was steadfast about a time line, then why did he say that he is being misquoted in the military times interview? Eh? Admit it, he did what all politicians do. He pandered to his base to get the nomination, now he is pandering towards the middle to get their vote in the general election. They all do it.
Bruce Gruss Gott wrote: > > Yes, your article doesn't mention it; but that doesn't mean it doesn't > exist - it does - and Obama published it in an opinion piece to the NY > Times titled "my plan for Iraq". In THAT piece he mentions a specific > time table. > > Further you're not accurately discriminating between ambiguous terms. > 2 people can say, "when the security situation permits" and mean > TOTALLY different things because that's a subjective statement. > > To understand *objectively* what "when the security situation permits" > means to each person, you must ask them to define explicitly what > they're talking about. > > When both Obama and McCain are asked to *explicitly* state what they > mean by "when the security situation permits" you seen a vast chasm > between their positions. > > This is where Obama says "about 16 months" and McCain says when we > achieve "victory" which he refuses to define. > > Therefore, objectively, McCain is not giving any indication of WHEN he > would act and Obama is. > > Think of it this way: I owe you $5000. You ask me when I'm going to > pay you back. > > McCain is saying: "when my liquidity position improves". > Obama is saying: "In 2 weeks." > > I dunno about you, but I'd take the Obama answer over the McCain answer any > day. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:264354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
