> You know, this rhetoric about people not "dying is vain" is so old 
> the
> first time I heard it was riding a dinosaur.

If we fight a war to win but leave as losers what was the point?
 
> And the phrase "quit the war instead of of win it" is enter campaign
> rhetoric from McCain, or radio talk show spin.

So what do you call it when someone asks for rapid draw down while violence is 
at its highest levels?
 
> Either way, both of those statements are meaningless.
> 


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