I can't understand that at all. It's just alien to both of the cultures I live in. Judaism assigns the conjugal rights to the woman and the husband is supposed to 'please' her even in cases where reproduction is not possible or already happening (such as when pregnant). If we weren't supposed to have pleasure from our bodies, why were we given the capacity. I know some cultures say "to prove our dedication to God by holding back". I reject that. You can have strictures that say when and where pleasure is allowed but still have it allowed. The 'rules' of sex in Judaism are rather large and involved, but one thing set down specifically is to please your spouse. It's a joining of two people together.
At 12:00 PM 4/2/02, you wrote: >I'm also really bothered by the cultures that treat women as property - or >worse. E.g. the African cultures that practice ritual mutilation >(clitorectomies) - so not only do ya gotta do it, you can't enjoy it. > >-Ben > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:56 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)) >> >> >> This reminds of the 20/20 (I think it was 20/20, the one w/ Barbara >> Walters) special on the women of Saudi Arabia last week. They were >> asking about the whole 'stoning' thing. I have to admit - I was >> sickened. They said, essentially "Oh, its VERY hard to be caught >> cheating on your husband, and you must be caught by two >> people, not just >> one, so this is very rare." >> >> Um... so, your saying women are very rarely stoned to death >> for cheating >> on their husbands. >> >> Gee, that's wonderful, I'm sure those few women don't really mind. >> >> You know - I believe that we should be respectful of other people's >> cultures, but at some point, there is right and wrong. Stoning someone >> to death for infidelity is just plain sick. I can understand them not >> wanting women to drive. (Err, by 'understand' I mean, I can live with >> it. I think it's bad, of course, but it's nowhere near the stoning.) >> >> -rc >> >> >> > >> > Your assuming that women in the middle east (at least in most >> > Muslim cultures) have the right to refuse. The rights of >> > women are very restricted even in such places as Saudi >> > Arabia. A woman can be arrested for just driving a car (as >> > was seen during the gulf war when a number of women tried it >> > in protest). >> > >> > At 11:33 AM 4/2/02, you wrote: >> > >Hey! >> > >What we need for peace is a Middle East version of Lysistrata - >> > >the women say "until we get peace, you're not getting any" !! >> > >-Ben >> > > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:13 AM >> > >> To: CF-Community >> > >> Subject: Re: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Another example of terrorism: >> > >> >> > >> British suffragists early last century. >> > >> >> > >> (Just finished reading a book on this subject - they were >> > >> some SCARY women!) >> > >> >> > >> Jerry Johnson >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
