I would be happy to stay home with my son :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:41 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods
Oh, the comments that rolled through my head on that remark! ;) I'll leave it to the others to say the obvious. At 01:43 PM 4/5/02, you wrote: >My goal is to have a househusband when kids enter the picture. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:13 AM >Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> It starts getting different when kids enter the picture. When we got >married, we were both working. When Judith gave birth she tried to work and >be a mother at the same time and decided to do the latter. I made sure I got >a good job with benefits (and a 3 hour commute) to make sure we were >covered. Even now, Judith is an at home mom where she also does her editing >and other work. >> Basically, my salary pays for her to work on FA and other projects. :) >> If she wanted to go out to work and have me at home I'd have no problem. >Of course, I kind of make more due to who I am but that's besides the point. >If I had a steady stream of income I'd be home writing articles, recording >lessons, writing code, and taking care of the kids with no problem at all. >Anyone here want to finance me for a year and get credit for all I produce? >I'll have a dozen "complete" papers out with no problem. :) >> (Complete CFSCRIPT still has to be edited, complete comparison (CFIF, etc) >is in pieces, complete iteration (loops) is as well and there are bits and >pieces of a half dozen more.) >> >> At 12:07 PM 4/5/02, you wrote: >> >H, as long as its her CHOICE to be the domestic one, I have no problem >with >> >it. When its the man's choice it pisses me off. I know some really >> >independent, professional women who are very domestic at home - its weird >to >> >me (and in the case I am thinking of even weird to her) but if thats what >> >you like to do, go for it. >> > >> >I love to cook and I cook well believe it or not, I just know its not my >job >> >(as a woman) to cook for Mike. That being said I often cook but he >cleans >> >the kitchen and does the dishes. Or we eat out (we are dual income no >kids, >> >why not?). If he cooked I would be starving all the time.....he cooks >> >pretty badly. >> > >> >I do not however do as much cleaning as he does. I feel somewhat guilty >> >about that but he cares if its clean and I dont'. >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Howard Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:02 AM >> >Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> > >> > >> >> I was a bachelor until I was 31, so I know how to cook and clean and >sew, >> >> etc. I don't mind cooking a couple of meals a week (usually on the >> >> weekends). I enjoy it. But I'm thankful I have a wife who likes (most >of >> >> the time) taking care of the house. I feel especially fortunate that I >> >> married a woman who cooks as well as my mom. So many of my friends >have >> >> wives who can't cook at all, and they can't cook -- so they eat out a >lot, >> >> or fast food, or frozen meals (though we've been eating a lot more >frozen >> >> meals because during the week I'm so busy and my wife doesn't cook on >days >> >> she has to work (part-time)). >> >> >> >> H. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:09 AM >> >> To: CF-Community >> >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> >> >> >> >> In Samoan culture, women are not allowed in the kitchen. It's is the >> >man's >> >> domain. He is responsible for gathering and preparing of foods. >> >> >> >> I agree wholeheartedly with you Michael. I have a 16 month old and >want >> >to >> >> create the same environment for him as well. My wife and I do our best >to >> >> create a warm, loving, and safe place for him. He is allowed to push >the >> >> boundaries but we are there to prevent him from doing things that will >> >hurt >> >> him. He will learn things that will allow him to be self sufficient >when >> >he >> >> is older and that includes all of the things that some may consider >> >feminine >> >> roles (I.e. cooking, sewing, etc.). My grandmother always told me that >a >> >> man that can't take care of himself is no man and I agree. Whenever I >> >think >> >> about how to raise kids, I remember something Mel Gibson (surprisingly) >> >once >> >> said that the parents role as disciplinarian should be done in such a >> >manner >> >> that it breaks their will but not their >> >> spirit. I thought that was profound, especially coming from Mad Max! >> >> >> >> Michael Corrigan >> >> Programmer >> >> Endora Digital Solutions >> >> 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 >> >> Lombard, IL 60148 >> >> 630-627-5055 ext.-136 >> >> 630/627-5255 Fax >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz >> >> To: CF-Community >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:21 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> >> >> >> >> As my son does fight with my daughter to give me a book or do >something >> >> for me, I'd say yes, he would. Actually, my son is the sensitive one >while >> >> my daughter is the daredevil. My job as a parent is to give them the >> >freedom >> >> to learn and grown and not force them into any specific role. >Personally, >> >I >> >> think I do a good job with it. >> >> As a side note, I know how to sew and can also cook rather well. My >wife >> >> learned to cook after we got married. And both of the older children >(the >> >> youngest is to small) enjoy helping me and/or Judith when we cook. >> >> Personally, I see cooking as a masculine job. It's a knife and fire >used >> >to >> >> build something. :) >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: - Would your >son >> >> serve >> >> > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before you say grace >> >because >> >> he >> >> > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps your children >have >> >> been >> >> > raised with different roles based on gender. I am not going to say >> >its >> >> > wrong for men and women to play different roles - its all about >> >personal >> >> > choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids >without >> >> those >> >> > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter will be expected >to >> >> do >> >> > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged to do sports >and >> >> boys >> >> > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will learn to sew on >> >> buttons >> >> > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to take more >> >> traditional >> >> > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like them to be able >to >> >> make >> >> > that choice and not have it decided by me. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major things held against >> >> Orthodox >> >> > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. >> >> > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my daughter did. I >was >> >in >> >> a >> >> > small fight on a different list with a militant feminist who took >> >> anything I >> >> > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking how she'd react >to >> >my >> >> > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash my hands before >we >> >> said >> >> > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be helpful and because >she >> >> loves >> >> > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me subjugating my >> >daughter >> >> or >> >> > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter is subservient >to >> >no >> >> one >> >> > and is more willful than I am). >> >> > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and all my kids. :) >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Thanks for the explanation! >> >> > > > -Ben >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, its a difference >> >> > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a day. Women don't. >> >> > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have to. I can go on >> >> > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is moot. A woman >> >> > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the >> >> obligation. >> >> > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count either as he's >> >> > > > > not bound by obligation either. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count >> >> > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -Ben >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me people here to >> >correct >> >> > > > > > > me) that jews >> >> > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". >> >> > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to >> >tell.....I >> >> > > > > > > am sure I will >> >> > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop >> >> > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike >> >> > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) >> >> > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews and Christians" >> >> > > > > > > Muslims don't need >> >> > > > > > > a >> >> > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's >> >> > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of worship. I can't >speak >> >> > > > > > > for Jews, but >> >> > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the only place you >> >can >> >> > > > > > > pray is in a >> >> > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a physical church >> >> > > > > represents the >> >> > > > > > > religion >> >> > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ is where ever >there >> >> > > > > > > are believers. >> >> > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education >facilities >> >> > > > > > > and community >> >> > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way since early in the >> >> > > > > > > church history. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to church"? I don't >> >> > > > > > > know. I didn't >> >> > > > > > > > catch that part. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without really paying as >> >close >> >> > > > > > > attention to >> >> > > > > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would like, that they >> >were >> >> > > > > > > > mischaracterizing >> >> > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > H. >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
