True enough, there are some. But I've gradually seen church attendance increase over the last several years and no matter what your religious beliefs are, that's generally a good thing.
Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 ext.-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Braver, Ben To: CF-Community Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods Michael, thanks for a very interesting reply. I'll bet there are folks, though, who decry the changes in your church and miss the "good old days". hard to please everybody... -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:39 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > Ben, > > >The Orthodox answer was basically "by holding fast to our > laws and traditions, and not changing". The Reform answer was > basically "by holding fast to our beliefs and adapting them > to the context in which we live". > > The Catholic church has undergone a similar change, > especially under Pope John Paul. There were many that were > not pleased when he became Pope. He understood the theology > of Christianity and began a movement, so to speak, within the > church to reflect that. Many of our older brothers and > sisters (not as in nuns) remember the older church and it's > strict adherence to rules versus understanding what Christ > was trying to say to us. I like the church much more now > than when I was younger. part of it is age, but I think a > greater part of it is the church's attitude. A lot of the > cranky old priests are gone now and there's a youthful and > hopeful sense to the church. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Braver, Ben > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:23 PM > Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > Beth- > > this is why I'm a Reform Jew. > > My daughter had a Bat Mitzvah - not known in Orthodoxy. > She wore a Tallit (prayer shawl) and Yarmulke. > She chanted from the Torah. > > This post is *not* critical of Orthodox traditions. > Please note that in the Christian world, there was a little > something called > the Protestant Reformation and a number of denominations > formed with a broad > liberal to Conservative span. You still have the Roman > Catholic and Eastern > Orthodox variants of Christianity. > > Saw a fascinating video in a class at Temple once. Recall > the question being > asked "how have we managed to survive all these years?". > The Orthodox > answer was basically "by holding fast to our laws and > traditions, and not > changing". The Reform answer was basically "by holding fast > to our beliefs > and adapting them to the context in which we live". > > I think this implies though that Orthodox Judiasm is more > focused on laws > and compliance, and less on theology, with Reform somewhat > the reverse. > > I try not to feel "inferior" to Orthodox Jews who hew to > the mitzvot. I must > say, though, it bothers me that the Orthodoxy (particularly > in Israel) tries > very hard to not only make me feel that way, but to say I > am not really a > Jew. > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:25 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > <sigh> yes, it does get sticky here. > > > > If your daughter grew up and decided she wanted to wear a > > yarmulke, would > > you think that was wrong too? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:13 AM > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > >Then you aren't raising your kids with sexist values. I > > think its good > > > >because it gives them more options. > > > But by definition I am. I tell Moshe to put on his > > Yarmulka, something > > Hinda doesn't have to do. I don't dress Hinda in pants nor > > short dresses due > > to the laws of modesty. Moshe has to stand by the side when > > Hinda and Judith > > light Shabbos candles. I do observe differences based on > > gender as defined > > in Judaism. I just don't think they're 'wrong'. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
