And I respect your opinion as well; I hope I haven't indicated otherwise. I don't care how different someone's opinion is from mine; if it's well-thought out and defended without being insulting, I have respect for it. I just found the comparison to bestiality something that hits really close to home as I've had it used against me many times.
And you're right, I'm splitting hairs and I concede that point to you. But you mention something interesting - an age as a period of advancement. We are certainly in a new age - a period of advancement - now, and with those advancements come changes in the thought patterns of new generations. So while I respect your opinion and do not begrudge you your right to it, I will point out that because of the fight that I and others in my community are undertaking, current attitudes are changing and will continue to change as this current age continues. Your opinion is an evolution of those held by the majority a hundred years ago, that homosexuals were dangerous and needed to be expelled from decent society; who knows we'll think a hundred years from now? David Churvis -----Original Message----- From: Michael Grant [Modus IS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: the list David, I respect your opinion, however I still don't agree. I've tried to rationalise and explain it and am man enough to admit that under scrutiny my attempt at logic has flaws. However it doesn't change my feelings, logical or not. Scott, how is it bigotry when it's defined as "between a man and a woman." Always has been. Check the oxford dictionary. This isn't a matter of me interpreting it differently than its original intent. If we rewrite marriage to allow gay union, should we also rewrite it to accommodate polygamy? Should we also rewrite it allow for multiple couples in swinger relationships to have a single union? You'll no doubt say that's ridiculous, but why is it any different. If you are gay it's "the way you were born," well the urge to have multiple wives or group relationships may also be "the way you were born." I just don't think it should be changed. Oh, and David in regards to "age old." You're splitting hairs here a bit. The term "age" generally refers to a period of advancement. 1600-1800: The age of enlightenment, 1750-1900: The industrial age, etc. So to say marriage is age old is appropriate. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: the list But your social institution holds no legal standing.... I'm straight, I'm married (twice). If David decides that he wants to commit to his partner, call it what ever you like, it has absolutely no bearing in any way shape or form what so ever on my commitment to my wife, it doesn't lessen it, it doesn't cheapen it. nothing, zero, zilch, nada. And there's no conceivable logical argument otherwise. The only thing that should have any bearing is that piece of paper that we signed, which is a legally binding agreement to co-habitate. This is bigotry plain and simple in a very thinly disguised wrapper. Michael Grant [Modus IS] wrote: > Um, as far as I know gays don't get paid less, don't have to use separate > water fountains, ride the back of the bus etc. From my original post I > stated I don't think gays should be persecuted. However I don't agree with > rewriting the age old social institution under which a man and woman > establish their decision to live as husband and wife. > > The end bit about donkeys and xbox's was obviously (or so I thought) > tongue-in-cheek. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:18 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: the list > > G doesn't seem to be that type, but you have certainly shown yourself to be > the type to compare someone's life-long struggle for equality to screwing a > donkey, so... > > David Churvis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Grant [Modus IS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:27 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: the list > > Try to follow along G, read the whole thread between Maureen and I. I wonder > if you might be the type to enter in the middle of a conversation and spout > the first thing that comes to mind. :( > > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:27 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: the list > > Who said anything about ironcald or unwavering? > > You said there is no benefit to be gained, I said there is....learning. > > I'm starting to think maybe you are only a troll :/ > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >> So by having a viewpoint that is nothing more than a "placeholder" one >> can't >> reap the benefit of learning? I would say that if you look at the response >> my post has received, as well as the spinoff thread, my "placeholder" post >> has been a catalyst for learning. I submit that one does not need an >> ironclad, unwavering opinion for it to have inherent value. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:30 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: the list >> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> >>> What benefit does anyone gain from posting on an opinion based forum, >>> >> other >> >>> than a mild reprieve from the work-a-day world. >>> So by posting what benefit did you gain Maureen? The former or the >>> >> latter? >> >> What benefit? Isn't it obvious? >> >> Learning! Not only about different viewpoints, but about how your >> viewpoints >> are seen and analyzed by others. If you view your opinions as nothing >> > more > >> than placeholders.....you're probably on the wrong list. >> >> -- >> Divine creation hears me >> And it squashes me with fear >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:280908 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
