Sam wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Scott Stewart <saste...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>
>   
>>> Won't be but still is. Once they get Coldfusion working it wont be needed.
>>>       
>
>   
>> Right now, I can install solar panels on my roof, get a substantial
>> portion paid for by the gov't and finance the rest with a home equity
>> loan, I'll reduce my dependency on the local power company by about 80%
>> I could pick up the rest with a turbine, noise!= uselessness
>>     
>
> 30k for panels will save you about $500 a year and last 30 years.  Do the 
> math.
>   
Done the math... at 75% offset with incentives and tax breaks it'll cost 
me 75k to install, save me $115 *a month*
(that's almost $1400 a year, which is a bit more than $500) I'll save 
even more if I install a rooftop turbine.

My break even is 13 years... and if I sell I can recover the entire 
amount plus some.

>
>   
>> I don't think so, your quoted article refers to two almost completely
>> unknown  companies, the results could be attributed to lack of marketing
>> or production of a unappealing product.
>> Every major car company is introducing "plugin" hybrids next year, the
>> next step is full electric.
>>     
>
> And Honda dropped the hybrid because nobody would buy it until gas hit
> $4. Now gas is down and so goes the demand for hybrids.
>   

2009 Honda Civic Hybrid
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/

2010 Honda Insight
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2010-honda-insight.htm

They're investing a lot of time and production for technology that you 
say that they're going to drop
>   
>> When did I say that the problem is solved? The problem won't be solved
>> until we're no longer dependent on fossil fuels.
>> But to dismiss current technologies based on what are at best
>> insignificant reasoning (noise?) or fringe speculative science (Cold
>> Fusion?)
>> is foolish.
>>     
>
> Pointing out that they're old ideas that you think are now ready for
> primetime. Could be, just saying I wouldn't bank on it yet.
>   
I guess I'm missing your point, yes it's tech that's been around for a 
while, but only in the last few years has mass consumer production 
become available.
I've done alot of home work with residential solar power, I *HATE* 
Progress Energy, our local electric power barons, I certainly wouldn't 
cry if I contributed to them going out of business by getting off of 
their grid.
> 

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