Dana called Al Qaeda a social movement. If it is truly to become that, its
leadership must renounce violence, disarm, and become a legitimate social
movement. How does that happen? They sign a surrender document and surrender
for judgment at the hands of a war crimes court. The Hague would be fine
with me.

What are the odds of Bin Laden and Zawahiri surrendering? I wonder if there
is a line on that with the London bookmakers? Actually, I'm going to blog
about this...


On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Judah M wrote:

> Yes, I do. Twice isn't bad for almost 240 years. Especially as those
> were both in actual wars with a defined enemy and the realistic
> prospect of a win or loss or treaty.
>
> This is a "War on Terror". How the hell do you win that? You keep
> harping about how Al Queda is a non-nationstate and therefore things
> like the Geneva Convention don't apply. Well how do we define winning
> then? Losing? Who do we sign a peace agreement with? What are the
> circumstances when we'll be able to roll back the Patriot Act? When we
> kill Bin Laden?
>
> World War II was 4 years long (for the U.S.) Internment spanned less
> than 3 years. The Civil War was 4 years long and literally tore the
> country apart. We face no such threat to our country yet how long have
> we had it suspended now?
>
> Roosevelt was wrong to inter the Japanese-Americans during WWII. At
> least at the time though he could say that he'd release them when we
> defeated the Japanese. Bush was never able to say what it would take
> to close down Guantanamo. He moved us into a state of permanent war
> with no boundaries and used it as an excuse to undermine our most
> basic rights. That is unconscionable and unprecedented.
>
> Judah


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