*shrug*. I happen to think that facts are important. Sorry. I would say that there are enough other facts about the health care crisis in our country which are not in dispute that we need to get it done no matter what percentage of bankruptcies are due to health care costs. None the less I think the number is one that is important to know.
It might also be worthwhile noting that this thread was started by trying to cherry pick a single number from an Obama speech in order to criticize the speech as a whole by association. I merely pointed out that the number is not actually that suspect. What can I say, I'm a math nerd. I like statistics. Judah On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > What good are facts? The 'facts' you have presented differ vastly in what > percentage of personal bankruptcies are due to health care related costs. > > If health care costs are not a large percentage of personal bankruptcies, do > you think we should focus on the other major causes first before we get to > health care? If not, than to you, it does not matter what percentage are > from health care costs, so no factualy evidence woudl be enough for you. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> You don't know that it is not the biggest cause of bankruptcy by a >> long way. There is, as far as I'm aware, one study. The study reported >> it as being 54% of bankruptcies. Counter analysis says 17%. In the 8 >> years since the year under study there, costs have significantly >> increased, wages have stagnated. The percentage of people with >> employer-sponsored health care has dropped. So previously it was >> somewhere between 17 and 54%. By all reasonable extrapolation it is >> likely to be a significantly higher percentage now. So where do you >> get your contention that it is not the biggest cause by a long way? >> Any actual facts? >> >> Judah >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > A cause of bankruptcy, not the biggest cause by a long way. Furthermore, >> I >> > don't see why reducing bankruptcies should be a policy goal in and of >> > itself. >> > >> > And yes, health care is a major problem, but shifting the cost to the >> > federal government isn't going to fix the problem. >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Judah wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Healthcare is a major financial problem in the US and is directly a >> >> causation of bankruptcy. There is nothing dishonest about that even if >> >> you'd like to claim otherwise. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:291011 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
