I remember, I was part of that and have had enough

I'm not knocking your faith, but sometimes being religeous makes people real
real stubborn. Now thats not particulary a bad thing, since its enabled
people to do fairly amazing things through history.  But when you're arguing
religious "issues" with someone like that, it's painful.  

Hence, lets leave it at that

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 April 2002 16:23
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Massacre in Adora (Israel)


I've already addressed this argument in some detail a couple of weeks ago.

H.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Massacre in Adora (Israel)
>
>
> i'm actually going to borrow phils argument here
>
> what about noah's flood?
> the plague of eygpt?
>
> he decided to step in then and enforce his will, slaughtering thousands
> including every first born child, were those people free?  Was
> that not the
> actions of a dictator?
>
> so sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.  But then again he's
> God and can
> do what he likes, right.  Sometimes we're slaves, sometimes we're
> as free as
> birds.  If there was some logic to when he interviened and when he doesn't
> (apart from the times he interviened there is absolutely no
> proof), I might,
> might believe that argument.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 April 2002 15:08
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Massacre in Adora (Israel)
>
>
> If God didn't allow it to happen, then he wouldn't be God, would
> he. He'd be
> a dictator and we'd all be his slaves instead of free, loved and loving
> beings.
>
> H.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:20 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Massacre in Adora (Israel)
> >
> >
> > I agree with Jeff that theres no need whatever to apologise.
> >
> > I have children also, and the thought of other peoples children being
> > murdered like this is heartraking.
> >
> > To be honest this sort of thing happening is why I gave up
> > religeon, I can't
> > believe God would allow this kind've thing to happen.
> >
> > well i'd better get some work done, but to be honest can't stop thinking
> > about that poor family, is anything worth a childs death?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 28 April 2002 17:04
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Massacre in Adora (Israel)
> >
> >
> > No need for apologies Judith... While I typically stay out of
> many of the
> > religious discussions, I do pray for peace in that region and I
> > support what
> > Israel is doing to protect their existence.  I'll second what
> Ben said in
> > that we may not always agree on "how" to achieve peace in the
> > region, we all
> > agree that peace must be achieved for the sake of all parties involved.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: Massacre in Adora (Israel)
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry for venting -- please just ignore it; I should not post stuff
> > like this to the list.
> >
> > If you guys want to keep up with what's happening in Israel, you
> > can always
> > go the arutzsheva site (http://www.arutzsheva.org) and see for
> yourself. I
> > don't have to bombard you with news like this.
> >
> > Judith
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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