Isn't the fact that they weren't coders what made MySpace and others
like it possible?
If everyone had to actually learn a language first many ideas would
have been lost.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jeffrey Epstein <jeffr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> The original thing I was calling out was the influence of the MS discount and 
> misunderstanding of CF at MySpace. But I am not suprised to hear there was 
> poorly written code there, and it is not CF's fault. In fact, I'm starting to 
> wonder now how much we (old timers) are responsible for those misimpressions 
> of CF that linger today. Much of my work has been cleaning up spaghetti 
> code...and I'm sorry to say some of it was mine. My first CF training was a 
> 3-day affair, and I think a lot of people got started with things like that. 
> I kept trying to improve, read CFDJ, went to CFUnited when it started, and 
> got better. But in those early days before methodologies, frameworks, and 
> good practices, it was kind of a Wild West of coding, wasn't it? For all our 
> talk about separating content and presentation, I admit I originally 
> hard-coded text more than I should have, didn't CFINCLUDE as much as I should 
> have....although still, I was MUCH better than some people I saw that didn't 
> understand the principles at all.
>
> But I still blame people who blame CF when they don't really know what it can 
> do. Especially today's versions, which some people don't even know exist!
>
>

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