"I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that
public safety exception."

Such a wrong sentence and one that should never be heard by an American
official.

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From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: in the oh hell no category


All the uproar about reading alleged terrorists their Miranda rights
predictably rebounds to allow us all a few less rights. See the last
paragraph (of couse) for a sensible take.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050902
062.html

Miranda rights may be changed to fight terrorism, Holder says

By Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 9, 2010; 2:31 PM

The Obama administration is considering changes to the laws requiring
police to inform suspects of their rights, potentially pursuing an
expansion of the "public safety exception" that allows officers to
delay issuing Miranda warnings, officials said Sunday.

Attorney General Eric Holder, in his first appearances on Sunday
morning news shows, said the Justice Department is examining "whether
or not we have the necessary flexibility" to deal with terrorist
suspects such as the Pakistani-born U.S. citizen who tried to detonate
a car bomb in Times Square last weekend.

"We're now dealing with international terrorism," Holder said on ABC's
"This Week." "And if we are going to have a system that is capable of
dealing in a public safety context with this new threat, I think we
have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public
safety exception."

The announcement marked a potentially significant change by the
administration as it tries to manage the politics of national security
after repeatedly coming under fire, mainly from conservatives, for
being too willing to read Miranda rights to terrorism suspects. The
administration is trying to thread a difficult needle: of taking a
harder line on terrorism while also doing so within the confines of
the criminal justice system.

Holder and other administration officials said they would be engaging
Congress on putting together a proposal for the changes to the law,
which requires suspects to be told that they have the right to remain
silent and that their statements may be used against them in court.
They did not provide specifics of possible changes.

Under the public safety exception, statements obtained pre-Miranda may
be used in court -- including to charge suspects -- if it is
determined that police needed to obtain information quickly to prevent
further crimes. Once an immediate threat is ruled out, the Miranda
warning must be read, under current law.

The public safety exception dates back to 1984, when the New York
Police Department caught a man they believed was an armed rape
suspect, only to discover that his loaded gun was missing from his
holster. The Supreme Court ruled that it was legal for the police to
question the suspect before reading him his rights because the loaded
gun -- which he had tossed in a grocery store as he fled -- was a
threat to public safety and it was imperative that it be found
immediately.

Holder referred to the case, New York v. Quarles, in his remarks
Sunday, saying it was time for the law to be updated.

"That's one of the things that I think we're going to be reaching out
to Congress to do, to come up with a proposal that is both
constitutional, but that is also relevant to our time and the threat
that we now face," Holder said.


Yet the changes Holder would seek are not simply about the
admissibility of pre-Miranda statements in court, officials said. The
goal would be to give law enforcement officials greater latitude to
hold suspects within the criminal justice system and interrogate them
for long periods of time -- without having to transfer them to a
military system or designate them as enemy combatants, they said.

That could mean seeking a change not to the public safety exception
but to a separate statute that governs how long a suspect may be
interrogated before being brought before a judge. Currently, there are
limitations on how long that period of time may last.

Orin Kerr, a professor at the George Washington University Law School
and expert in criminal justice, said it is unlikely the Supreme Court
would defer to Congress if it sought changes to the scope of Miranda.
But there would be more flexibility on the detention statute, he said.
Changes, Kerr said, "make sense if you can define what a terrorism
case is." "The devil is in the details in these sorts of things," he
said.



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