On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> "I daresay they vote for the ideology that will affect them most
> immediately."
>
> I would say that they "believe" will help them most immediately.


Generally, they believe it because they have lived it. When it's all you
know, what can you do? And if you can actually answer that, well, you're 20
years late to help me, but maybe it can help get my daughter out of this
cycle.


> "Long-term it may not be the best for anyone, but the poor--the truly
> poor--need that immediate help."
>
> They may need the immediate help, but is there anything immediate with the
> government.  How long did it take the states effected by Katrina to respond
> to Katrina.  How long for the federal government?  Health care deform
> doesn't get even get rolling until 2014.
>

If help doesn't get started immediately, then it takes that much longer to
get down to those that need it. No, Government isn't the ideal answer, but
sometimes it truly is the only answer.


> Finally, if a class of people is taught to rely on immediate help and not
> to
> look for a long term solutions, it is easy to see that they have been
> duped.
>

The people I'm talking about have very little hope of a long-term solution.
True aid in education is not forthcoming, and education is the only way out
I'm aware of.

"What they really need is a way to get out of being poor."
>
> Amen.
>
> What one has to ask is can the government provide it?  If so, why haven't
> they?
>

They can, sure. They haven't for the very reasons you quoted me saying
below:

"The sad fact is, both sides of the coin are best served by keeping the poor
> poor.  Dems want the poor to stay poor to get vote, and Reps want them to
> stay poor so a low-wage class remains available for cheap labor.  Both
> sides
> are looking to protect their wealth."
>
> This also includes illegal immigrants.


If you're saying the presence of illegal immigrants helps both sides
maintain their wealth, I suppose I can agree with that. Otherwise I'm not
really sure what illegal immigrants have to do with it.

And nothing in any of this will change until we get more eligible people to
vote. The fact that so many presidential elections are decided by a majority
vote of a minority of the country is appalling. Approximately 20% of the
eligible voters are steering the entire country, and have been for at least
the better part of my lifetime. That's scary.


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