On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:30 PM, denstar wrote: > >>>> I think that Obama is trying to do exactly what he said he wanted to do. >>>> Unfortunately it's not what people really want *or* even the reason he was >>>> elected. >>> >>> He's doing what I said he was going to do, not what he said. >> >> Compared to what? A "normal" politician? I liked how Matt put it. >> You have to try to go all negative. > You like how Matt put it because he was king to Obama. Admit your bias. > He didn't say he was going to keep Bush policies in place and even > extend them. OK I got that wrong. > He did say he was going to bankrupt the energy companies and the > southern states are feeling it. We just thought he was going after > coal. I did know he was going to bring Chicago style politics to the > Whitehouse while he said he was bringing openness.
It's the shit that Bush did that Obama's kept running or extended that bug me. Domestic spying, mainly. I'm always a sucker for that one. Matt wasn't being kind, he was being honest. That's how he feels, and I can respect that. He wasn't *trying* to spin things, which you do wantonly, and I do randomly. As for bias, I roll with the Democrats. Of the shows in town, I like the ideals the best. Sorta how I love Glee, and Raising Hope (too bad about My Name is Earl), and Community. Great Television right there! The whole social conservatism, "we know morals" deal the Republicans sport turns me off. Running on fear is lame. Wanting a non-invasive government, fiscal responsibility, etc. sound good-- the rest tho... I try not to let it get to me, but perhaps I play it like a team sport too now. Staring into the abyss and whatnot... =) >> What is your baseline, a politician doing everything they said they'd >> do while campaigning? Good luck with that! (and I mean it). > > Must be from a different thread. What's your yardstick, is what I was saying. "Compared to what". It's like you expect a politician to be honest-- which would be *awesome*, if you /really/ expected that. But this is just lip-service. It's 'cause it's him, not because he's a politician. >> The Republicans were such graceful losers, too! Freaking Democrats, >> single-handedly screwing us over. > > I know right, they should give him hell, instead they let him pass > most everything. I'm thinking you're referring to health care reform, and if so, the PBS special I saw made it look anything but easy. That was a major promise and a lot of hard work. I know you hate it, but it's amazing anything at all was accomplished, weak tho it may be. >>> They weren't his fault when he took the job, but now it's his. Bush >>> didn't need $5 trillion to fix the last one. All that money Obama >>> spend and jobs are still gone. >> >> Funny that you guys are both repeating one of the memes that >> politifact or whatever mentioned. > > Polifact? Doesn't Sorros own that too :P Er, I guess that was factcheck? Which ever one that had the "whoppers of 2010". You're perpetuating a whopper. >> There is no question that we're better than we would have been. How >> much better is up for debate, but it isn't "none". > > I'm thinking if the banks went bankrupt like all other business they > would have cleaned the houses out. Bush did apoligized for that > disastrous mistake. That's right, he manned up. When will our new > leader ever admit he erred? Oh yeah, the financial crises had such an obvious solution, that would have fixed everything and avoided any kind of hardship at all. Our unemployment would be at 4% or so, had we just ripped that band-aid off, right? Damn economics be easy! >> It really sounds like you're expecting a long-term problem to be >> solved in a short amount of time. That's just not realistic. He >> didn't start with a surplus. =) > > They economy of today is not related to the banking crisis of 2008. We > paid our way out of that 5 time over. So the reason the economy isn't awesome is because of what, health care reform? All the spending in the last two years alone? That just doesn't seem realistic. How long did it take us to recover from the dot com bubble? >> It's like you put him on that cloud, and then give him shit for being on it. > > I didn't put him there. I'm trying to bring him down to reality. Not > really, we don't talk. Reality. Riiiiiight. You've been trying to bring him down, period. Hoping he fails-- er, his plans fail (because they're like 10 types of evil, all socialistic and whatnot. Worse than torturing fools, yo!) -- from the get go. Which is cool, I'd expect no less. =) >> You really wanted him to be the Messiah, neh? More than Obama >> supporters did, but it seems like you did it just to try to knock him >> down. > > I want him to be a regular guy that has a really difficult job. He's > thinks this job is cake for him. He's on vacation half the time. More > so than Bush. At least Bush worked during his vacations. Once he > realizes how difficult his job really is and accepts crit He thinks that? =) >> I like Obama. Not perfect, there's X and Y I don't agree with, but >> still, he's had an uphill battle. For sure he's not as terrible as >> you incessantly claim (in a sort of tit-for-tat kind of way). > > I look at the big picture and it's a disaster. You look at the > disaster has he saved it from getting worse. If he changes a bit and > stops scaring corporations out and stops scaring us with unpayable > medical bills I will appreciate the little things he does. Right now I > can't f Reality is what you make of it. :) :Den -- If we must not act save on a certainty, we ought not to act on religion, for it is not certain. But how many things we do on an uncertainty, sea voyages, battles! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:330582 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
