The unfortunate consequence of living in a free society is the inevitable conundrum of having to defend the right to do that which you may find objectionable. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > The point is that the right delineating in the constitution supersede > implied or generally accepted (but not delineated) rights. Therefore > while it would be nice to prevent the WBC from disrupting those > funerals, the constitution effectively prevents us from doing so, and > for good reason. > > If the rights set forth in the constitution does not apply to all, > then does it really apply to any people? We are a nation of laws. > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Isn't an anti-abortion group trying to interfere with women's rights? > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Eric Roberts > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> > >> You are also comparing apples and oranges. None of those groups are > >> interfering with anyone else's rights. As Chief Justice Oliver Wendell > >> Holmes stated...your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. > So > >> there is a precedent for this in that the exercise of one group's rights > >> cannot interfere with the rights of other groups. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:46 AM > >> To: cf-community > >> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >> > >> > >> It is not a matter of right or wrong. The issue is that you are quite > >> willing to remove the constitutional rights from members of an > >> obnoxious group simply because you disagree with them. What's next? > >> Forbidding members of anti-abortion groups from voicing their > >> opinions? Stopping members of the tea bagging party from meeting? > >> Preventing members of the republican party from voting at the polls? > >> Enforcing servitude based on a person's skin colour? > >> Once you start restricting the rights of one group based on > >> essentially trivial reasons you open the door for others to do the > >> same. > >> > >> I've never liked the slippery slope argument, but in this case it > applies. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Eric Roberts > >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes...I don't think it would be right to protest anyone's > funeral...even > >>> they were someone along the line of Manson or even Bush ;-) even their > >>> families should be allowed the time to grieve in peace. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:17 AM > >>> To: cf-community > >>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>> > >>> > >>> the WBC were protesting on public land however. Second where is the > >>> rights of families enshrined? What amendment of the constitution? Or > >>> for that matter where in the state constitution? > >>> > >>> And yes it has a lot to do with popularity. If the WBC were not such a > >>> stain on humanity would you be reacting as you are now? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Eric Roberts > >>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> It has nothing to do with popularity...it has everything to do with > the > >>>> right of a family to greave in peace and their right to privacy. Even > if > >>> it > >>>> was a civilian funeral, they have a right to privacy. Cemeteries, in > >> most > >>>> states, are not public land, but privately owned property. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:42 AM > >>>> To: cf-community > >>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Public land. So do we start limiting freedom of assembly now based on > >>>> popularity? > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Eric Roberts > >>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I would disagree...they were next to a cemetery within visual and > >>> auditory > >>>>> range of a family conducting a funeral. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:58 AM > >>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> So are you saying that constitutional rights should only be available > >>>>> to those you agree with? > >>>>> > >>>>> Also unfortunately where the WBC protested was also part of the > public > >>>>> public square. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Eric Roberts > >>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While the Nazi party and the KKK are just as offensive, they do > their > >>>>> thing > >>>>>> out in a public square and are not disrupting the funeral of a > soldier. > >>>>> The > >>>>>> rights of the family trump all others in this case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:27 PM > >>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Perhaps, but if we don't allow the same freedoms for all even those > >>>>>> real obnoxious asshats like Phelps, what is the next exception. > That's > >>>>>> why the Nazi party was allowed to march through parts of Skokie > >>>>>> Illinois, the KKK through majority black districts and communist > >>>>>> groups through majority eastern European districts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If we do not defend the rights of those asshats, we cannot justify > >>>>>> defending the rights of those we agree with. There are no > exceptions. > >>>>>> Either everyone has those rights or none of us do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Eric Roberts > >>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No...some things actually are sacred...like the right to bury a > loved > >>>> one > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>> peace. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:43 PM > >>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You mean that the rights enshrined in the constitution should only > be > >>>>>>> enjoyed by those you agree with. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My how Republican of you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Eric Roberts > >>>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's the people speaking when the government won't do the right > >> thing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:17 PM > >>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Wow, that's pathetic. Why are you applauding this? Does slashing > an > >>>>>>> asshat's > >>>>>>>> tires make the tire slashing itself any less asshat-ish? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11 > >>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114 > >>>>>>>>> _11_A12_CUTLIN105145> &articleid=20101114_11_A12_CUTLIN105145 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It appears that after the protest, the Westboro Baptist asshats > >> found > >>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>> tires slashed.and no one in town would help them fix their > vehicles > >>>>>>>>> hehehehe. I bet that after having to drive a few blocks on their > >>> rims > >>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>> also had to have their rims replaced. All the local businesses > >>>> refused > >>>>>>>>> them > >>>>>>>>> service. Good thing the corporatist Walmart wasn't too far away. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Go McAlester! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:331695 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
