Physical measurement is far stronger evidence than opinion polls. Besides argument from authority is not a valid argument.
-- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:13 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > Here Larry, > > There is obviously evidence that goes both ways: Check the last one, > obviously not everyone who is or was associated with the National > Academy of Sciences agrees. This is hard data, that you > prefer to rely > on: > > A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the > Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that > the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas > emissions - principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels. > > (Those guys would seem to be "reputable") > > Only 13 percent of the scientists responding to a survey conducted by > the environmental organization Greenpeace (My Quote Here: You > think they > would be biased wouldn't you?) believe catastrophic climate > change will > result from continuing current patterns of energy use. > > More than 100 noted scientists, including the former president of the > National Academy of Sciences, signed a letter declaring that costly > actions to reduce greenhouse gases are not justified by the best > available evidence. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:01 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > The scientific literature in peer reviewed journals of quality are > unanimous > about it. Global warming is occurring, and it follows with > the increase > in > the emissions of greenhouse gasses by humans. The data are quite clear > despite what certain ideologies state. The national academies of > sciences > has a very good site about the scientific evidence for warming, for > instance: > http://www4.nationalacademies.org/onpi/webextra.nsf/44bf87db30 > 9563a08525 > 66f2 > 006d63bb/345cb310c049adb185256a840058568e?OpenDocument > > To quote part of the document: > Part of the debate over global warming centers on disparities between > the > surface temperature and upper-air temperature. While the > Earth's surface > temperature has risen, data collected by satellites and balloon-borne > instruments since 1979 indicate little if any warming of the > low-to mid- > troposphere. The report concurs with a previous Research > Council report > that > said despite these differences, "the warming trend in the global mean > surface temperature observations during the past 20 years is > undoubtedly > real and is substantially greater than the average rate of warming in > the > 20th century." > -- > > As I have said previously, I prefer hard data from reputable > scientists > whose results are published in peer reviewed journals to the output of > researchers who use dubious methods and come to very precarious > conclusions > that fit what their corporate or political masters want. Its something > to do > with valid scientific research rather than ideology. > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:29 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > I knew that "If global warming is real" sentence would catch > > someone, I > > figured it would be Larry too. I agree that the earth is > > warming, what > > I don't agree with is the cause. Mother Earth releases more > > greenhouse > > gases than we do as humans, period. The amount of fossil > fuel we burn > > creates a miniscule amount of Greenhouse gases compared to what the > > Earth releases itself. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > If global warming is real? Then what does the American Academy of > > Sciences > > think that it is. What does the Bush Administration and the > EPA think > > that > > it occurring. > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55031-2002Jun3.html To > > quote > > the article: > > > > Impact of Climate Change Outlined > > EPA Report Blames Humans, Prescribes Voluntary Measures > > > > By John Heilprin > > Associated Press > > Tuesday, June 4, 2002; Page A02 > > > > > > The Bush administration has outlined significant > environmental impacts > > from > > climate change, possibly within decades, in a report to the United > > Nations. > > But the administration stood firm on its plans to address > > heat-trapping > > "greenhouse" pollution by urging voluntary measures and avoiding the > > Kyoto > > climate treaty. > > > > For the first time, the administration laid most of the blame > > for recent > > warming on human actions, pointing to fossil fuel burning > > that releases > > carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere, > > according > > to the report released by the Environmental Protection Agency. > > > > "The changes observed over the last several decades are > likely mostly > > due to > > human activities, but we cannot rule out that some > significant part of > > these > > changes is also a reflection of natural variability," the > report says. > > > > The contents of the paper, submitted to the United Nations, > were first > > reported yesterday by the New York Times. > > > > The report also says that despite some lingering scientific > > uncertainties, > > "there is general agreement that the observed warming is > real and has > > been > > particularly strong within the past 20 years." > > > > Last year, the White House described climate change as a > serious issue > > after > > consulting the National Academy of Sciences, but it was > > undecided about > > how > > much of the problem should be blamed on human activities. > > President Bush > > favors a climate plan with voluntary measures that would > seek to slow > > the > > rate of growth in gas emissions but also would allow them > to continue > > rising. > > > > He opposes regulating carbon dioxide emissions from power > > plants, unlike > > legislation sought by Sen. James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.), > chairman of the > > Environment and Public Works Committee, and some Democrats. > > -- > > > > What is really laughable is the voluntary emissions program. > > If its done > > the > > same way as what the then Governor Shrub set up the > voluntary program > > for > > air pollution in Texas, then we would be seeing a really > > large increase > > in > > greenhouse gases in the next couple of years. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:13 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > Well if Global Warming is real, then the amount of > Methane Gas, much > > > more potent the Co2, that the Cows in Ireland release > would have to > > > contribute to the Greenhouse effect and thus Reagan was right! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:34 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > Sounds like you're emulating Reagan, who thought ducks caused > > > acid rain > > > and > > > cows global warming. scary part of it was that he was serious. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > -- > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > EBStor.com > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > -- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:25 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > > > > Well poop....my ass is causing global warming...forget my > > > > SUV. We must > > > > tell mother nature to make more low emission > > > gastrointestinal tracks. > > > > Where is Corporate Average Flatulence Emission Standards! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:13 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > Restricted - HOW ? > > > > "put a cork in it" ?? > > > > > > > > > Gas emissions from flatulent cows could soon be > > restricted by a EU > > > > quota system > > > > > as penal as that imposed on milk production, an > > > > > agricultural expert has predicted. > > > > > > > > > > Environmental scientist Professor Frank Convery claims > > > cows breaking > > > > wind and > > > > > belching account for 35% of Ireland's green-house gas > > > > > emissions. These have been linked to global climate change. > > > > > > > > > > "When you have an agricultural economy - we have over > > > eight million > > > > cows in the > > > > > Republic of Ireland - you end up producing a lot of > > > > > greenhouse gas. It's similar in Northern Ireland," he said. > > > > > > > > > > More here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_66 > > > 2000/66239 > > > 7.stm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
