Interesting that you're equating Obama with Cicero, one of the Roman empire's 
great leaders.

It's a good comparison given they're both lawyers and politicians as well as 
great speakers, and you're right to ascribe that quote to Obama's actions even 
if his words say different.

He's definitely governing to the right of Clinton and even GW Bush assuming you 
exclude social issues where Bush wanted more government oversight of people's 
private lives.

Oddly that puts Obama philosophically slightly to the left of me, which 
normally I'd be happy with but I can't get over his lack of leadership and the 
whole patriot act thing.



On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Sam <sammyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> What have we learned in 2,066 years?
> "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
> public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
> tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be
> curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work,
> instead of living on public assistance."
> - Cicero - 55 BC
> 
> .
> 
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Grussgott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I wonder what those rolls are ...
>> 
>> What I find interesting about this whole episode is how the great socialist 
>> opened with entitlement reform to boehner and the both agree to a 3-to-1 
>> deal weeks ago.
>> 
>> That doesn't sound like a great socialist to me.  Sounds right of Nixon to 
>> me.
>> 
>> In fact, one might surmise that Obama has been crying crocodile tears all 
>> along.
>> 
>> Maybe we could even say that the center-right's best candidate for 2012 is 
>> Barack Obama.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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