well NPR *broadcast* it so it reflects on them. I heard it on KQED. I'll wait to hear the retraction before commenting further. I think that's essentially the divide though, but TAM isn't really a *news* show. I remember one segment about one guy renting an apartment when he was 15 in the sixties, and and another about a couple deciding to date other people for a while before they got married, and how they handled discussing this with the people they dated. It's... I guess the category is features, you know, like profiles. Interesting stuff, not news, but the point, is, true. As opposed to either Lake Wogebon or Death of a Salesman, yes.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson <jmi...@gmail.com>wrote: > > It's not an NPR show, so they shouldn't get any credit. Or blame. > > It is obvious that Daisey thinks of his piece as a performance piece, with > plenty of dramatic license, that falls somewhere between Death of a > Salesman and Lake Woebegone on the "need for accuracy" spectrum. Plenty of > dramatic license in order to move the audience emotionally. (Much like Rush > Limbaugh in that respect. Or Michael Moore.). Or as Colbert as so aptly > coined, full of "truthiness". > > It sounds like TAM does actual news, using actual journalistic rules. Which > is why this is so a) troubling to TAM, because they were lied to AND they > didnt catch it, because they dropped their own follow up rules. b) > troubling to listeners, since they expect news, and are now asking "if this > one wasnt right, what about that last one". > > Fun to watch as a person without a dog in the fight. Fun to watch someone > doing things they way I think they should be handled. > > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I have not heard it yet but I've listened to the show quite a few times. > > Usually the stories are fairly personal. But they are presented as true. > > Not performance art. Real stories that happened to real people. The > show's > > coming up later today, but I'll use the link if I miss it. I have to give > > NPR credit for treating the retraction as headline news. > > > > One thing that seems kind of infuriating is that the inaccuracies are > > really dumb and hurt the cause Daisey is trying to promote -- presumably > > worker safety. For example, workers have been injured making Apple > > products. Just not at *that* factory. Or another thing that got mentioned > > was that there would not have soldiers at the gate -- does not happen in > > China. But yes, the inaccuracies make a difference whether the broad > > strokes of the piece are true or not. > > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson <jmi...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought this week's show, called retraction, was gripping. Well worth > > the > > > hour. > > > > > > About as well done a mea culpa as I've ever heard > > > > > > http://www.thisamericanlife.org/ > > > > > > The pauses in the audio are profound. > > > > > > The very last act is the most surprising part. > > > > > > I had never heard of nor listened to TAM before this, but if this > > > retraction is in any way indicative of Ira's work, I may start > listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > yep, heard about that on NPR news earlier. Apparently the author said > > he > > > > shouldn't have done it because This American Life is more > journalistic > > > that > > > > theatric. Gee, ya think? I haven't looked at the specifics, but it > > seems > > > to > > > > me that even in theater, if you are making shocking allegations about > > > > specific people or companies, it might fall into the category of this > > > > little thing they call slander. I mean, I know This American Life > often > > > > runs stories about events in people's lives rather than broader > social > > > > events, but still. They are presented as true. It's disappointing to > > hear > > > > about this kind of thing, because if I wanted a show that just made > > > stuff > > > > up I already have quite a selection to choose from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:348703 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
