Larry,

You don't seem to be using the same words as Todd.

Are you saying that ANY killing of animals is the same as animal abuse?

The studies I have read do not equate the two.

They use words (as you did), like animal abuse. Torture. Undue harm. Animal cruelty. 

So are you saying the data is clear that the killing of a squirrel or bat in a chimney 
by a home owner is a strong indication of criminal tendencies?

Just trying to get everyone's arguments clear,
Jerry Johnson


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/02 04:13PM >>>
Todd,

The data is fairly clear on that. In one of the issues of the Journal of
Abnormal Psychology last year, there was one study that looked at that
factor. Animal abuse as a child (around 8 to 12 year of age) or as a
teenager was one of the strongest predictors of future violence and
criminality.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Mousetraps
> 
> 
> I'm not arguing how the animal dies, I'm arguing your point 
> that anyone who
> intentionally kills an animal is more likely to have criminal 
> tendancies.
> Kill a mouse .. kill a cat .. spray an ant hill or a wasp 
> nest .. whatever.
> 
> I prefer not to kill anything,  I find bugs in the house, I 
> put them outside
> . even spiders.  I prefer to use non lethal mouse traps as 
> well.  I will
> spray wasp nests though .. I don't know how else to get rid 
> of them.  That
> doesn't make me a psychopath.
> 
> That's my argument.
> 
> And Beth, I'm sure a shotgun blast to the head is pretty 
> quick and painless.
> It's not pretty and clean like normal euthenization, but ...
> 
> Also, many people may not be aware that there is such a 
> service for removing
> cats.  I certainly wasn't.  I'm sure many people on this list are also
> unaware that there are organizations that will come to your 
> property and
> remove entire hornet nests, free of charge, as well.
> 
> P.T.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Haggerty, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Mousetraps
> 
> 
> > Right... got me!
> >
> > There really is no difference between removing 
> plague-bearing critters
> from
> > ones home and blasting cats with a shotgun for the crime of 
> being feral.
> >
> > What was I thinking! *slaps self upside head*
> >
> > My mousetrap is a Rat Terrier.
> >
> > M
> 
> 

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