All of them if need be. On Jul 11, 2012 10:25 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looking at what is involved in the treaty personally I think its a > fairly good one. Its intended, when finalized, to minimize the traffic > in small arms. I mean seriously does Afghanistan or Somalia need > another 100,000 AK-47's. > > Look at the nations who are sponsoring it, Argentina, Australia, Costa > Rica, Finland, Japan, and Kenya. Now look at those countries who are > opposing the treaty, or have abstained: Bahrain, Belarus, China, > Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Laos, Libya, Marshall > Islands, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, > Syria, UAE, United States, Venezuela, Yemen, and Zimbabwe. > > That it is mainly dictatorial or rogue states that are against the > treaty says a lot. That the NRA opposes the treaty also says a lot for > me. > > Of those countries supporting it, they are all democratic (even > Kenya), mostly developed and mostly keep to themselves. Again that > says a lot about the treaty. > > Now the thing is there is no treaty yet. The provisions are to be > negotiated this October. herea re some of the provisions to be > discussed: > > It would ensure that no transfer is permitted if there is substantial > risk that it is likely to: > > be used in serious violations of international human rights or > humanitarian law, or acts of genocide or crimes against humanity; > facilitate terrorist attacks, a pattern of gender based violence, > violent crime or organised crime; > violate UN Charter obligations, including UN arms embargoes; > be diverted from its stated recipient; > adversely affect regional security; or > seriously impair poverty reduction or socioeconomic development. > > Loopholes would be minimized. It would include: > > all weaponsincluding all military, security and police arms, related > equipment and ammunition, components, expertise, and production > equipment; > all types of transferincluding import, export, re-export, temporary > transfer and transhipment, in the state sanctioned and commercial > trade, plus transfers of technology, loans, gifts and aid; and > all transactionsincluding those by dealers and brokers, and those > providing technical assistance, training, transport, storage, finance > and security. > > It must be workable and enforceable. It must: > > provide guidelines for the treatys full, clear implementation; > ensure transparencyincluding full annual reports of national arms > transfers; > have an effective mechanism to monitor compliance; > ensure accountabilitywith provisions for adjudication, dispute > settlement and sanctions; > include a comprehensive framework for international cooperation and > assistance. > > ---------------------- > > What's wrong with these provisions? If it prevents Koney from killing > a few more hundred innocents why not? If it makes it more expensive > for the Taliban to get RPG's why not? What is wrong with ;having > greater restrictions on the illegal trade in small arms? Why should > the Mexican cartels get cheap firearms? > > Or is the opposition really the result of vested interests who want to > make a "killing" in the field. > > The question is Tim why are you against this treaty? Do you like the > idea of making it easier for terrorists like the Taliban to get > firearms? > > Seriously how many children have to sacrificed on your altar to the > 2nd Amendment? > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:23 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > It's not just this, I'm really upset right now about the UN Small Arms > > Treaty. > > > > Just, so much, too much. > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Dude, I agree that the Justice Dept lackey was way out of line and > > > deserves a smack down (presuming that what was quoted actually > > > happened of course). But armed insurrection over that sort of shit? > > > > > > I'm really unhappy about the DOJ but, honestly, I'd say that overall > > > things are better now than they were 8 years ago. Not hugely better. > > > In some places probably worse. But I remember Mr. Ashcroft and > > > Operation Pipe Dreams that took out a dude that I knew, that worked > > > across the street from me. SWAT team busting in at 6 a.m. at his > > > house, holding him, his wife and kids at the gun point while they were > > > sleeping. Why? He sold glass pipes. Didn't find any pot at his house > > > even. They just decided one day that selling glass pipes was illegal > > > and they would make an example of this dude because he sold nice > > > pieces over the Internet. > > > > > > Things need to get fixed. But there are people in positions of power > > > who are trying to get things sorted. They need genuine support and > > > encouragement. Not people threatening insurrection. That crap just > > > plays to the law and order crowd who want to say "they are all a bunch > > > of whack jobs, shut them down!". > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:08 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > DOJ is out of control. > > > > > > > > It's about time we water the tree of libert. > > > > On Jul 10, 2012 9:03 PM, "Jerry Barnes" <critic...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> 'DOJ practice' slammed by politicos, > > > >> group< > > > >> > > > > http://www.iberianet.com/news/doj-practice-slammed-by-politicos-group/article_32a8d028-c8b7-11e1-aa3d-0019bb2963f4.html > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> A U.S. senator, a U.S. representative and a nonprofit First > Amendment > > > >> advocacy group each have sent a letter of complaint to the U.S. > > > Department > > > >> of Justice after one of its attorneys demanded she not be quoted or > > > >> recorded by a Daily Iberian reporter at a public meeting. Further > they > > > >> express concern over the veiled threat the attorney used. > > > >> > > > >> The complaint letters describe senior trial attorney Rachel > Hranitzkys > > > >> behavior at a June 12 public meeting held inside New Iberias City > > > Council > > > >> chambers. > > > >> > > > >> Before the meeting started, Hranitzky asked if there were any media > > > present > > > >> and told the Daily Iberian reporter he couldnt quote or record her. > > > >> > > > >> You can quote those who speak, but you cant quote me, Hranitzky > said, > > > >> according to a story that ran in The Daily Iberian June 13. > > > >> > > > >> When the reporter questioned her about the law that allowed such an > > > >> assertion to be made, Hranitzky said the Department of Justice has > > > special > > > >> rules on how its attorneys can be quoted. But she cited no law or > code > > > that > > > >> allowed for her demand. > > > >> The Daily Iberian sent a complaint letter to the Justice Department > on > > > June > > > >> 15 about Hranitzkys actions. It was signed that it was received by > the > > > >> department on June 21. As of Saturday, the newspaper had received no > > > >> response. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> J > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> > > > >> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad > > > reputation. > > > >> - Henry Kissinger > > > >> > > > >> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the > > > tunnel, > > > >> go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Qu > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:352613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
