See and that's my major problem. By ignoring all these other writings you miss out on the intent of the ratified documents and the philosophy behind them. On Feb 14, 2013 2:35 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > how many judicial decisions are made based on the declaration vs. the > constitution? Moreover except for the deist Nature's Creator at the > beginning, and another pair of generics in the conclusion are there > any specific references? > > Not in unratified documents, those are meaningless essentially, they > are not governing documents, like the Constitution or ratified > treaties. > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:21 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Saying the decleration of independence is not a founding document is > > foolish. It laid out the complaints and philosphy of the colonists that > > led to the revolution. > > > > I guess that's how you are able to ignore all the other written works by > > these men, because they weren't ratified? > > > > The federalist debates, the articles of confederation and so on. > > On Feb 14, 2013 2:16 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Creator was used as a generic, remember many of the people who signed > >> the Declaration and the Constitution were Diests, not necessarily > >> Christian. > >> > >> "God" does not appear in the constitution once. The only two > >> references to religion include the right to practice ones own religion > >> (as long as it does not infringe on any one else's constitutional > >> rights; as with all rights outlined in the constitution) and the > >> prohibition of religious tests for possible office holders. > >> > >> In the declaration of independence there are four references, 2 which > >> were changed significantly from what Jefferson originally wrote. But > >> the most famous bit, > >> ". . . the equal and independent station to which the laws of nature > >> and of NATURE'S GOD entitle them" was a specific reference to a > >> Deistic concept of the watchmaker diety. > >> > >> In the second paragraph the phrase "endowed by their CREATOR" was > >> added by Congress so strengthening the religious reference. > >> > >> In the conclusion the reference to God was added by the congress. > >> > >> However since the Declaration of Independence is not the law of the > >> land then simply put Tim you're wrong about it being in the founding > >> document. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > God has always been there, maybe not on the money or the pledge, I > know > >> > those were added later. But look at all the refrences to god and the > >> > creator there are in the founding documents. Even from those who > weren't > >> > Christians. > >> > > >> > However the word god doesn't imply or support any secific religion, > so I > >> > don't have a problem with it. If it were in Christ we trust, or > buddah, > >> or > >> > allah, I would have a major problem. > >> > On Feb 14, 2013 1:56 PM, "zaphod" <zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> My main issue with that is it's used by the masses to say "Hey look, > our > >> >> country was founded on christianity, just look at our pledge and our > >> >> money". Meanwhile they have no idea is hasn't been there since the > >> >> beginning. > >> >> > >> >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 12:46 PM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Or that left wing athiests haven't attacked all signs of > >> spirituality or > >> >> >> religion in public, even those rooted strongly inour history and > >> >> culture. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > This is a very good point and not to be ignored. Like that asshole > >> that > >> >> > sued to get "IN God We Trust" off our money....or people who piss > and > >> >> moan > >> >> > about "under God" in our pledge. > >> >> > > >> >> > Yeah, ok, i get it, it probably shouldn't be there....but shut the > >> fuck > >> >> up > >> >> > and get back to work you whiny little shit whistle. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:361195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
