As you said earlier Tim...there is a difference between 10% profit and 250% profit ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act The med thing is a major problem to me. You somehow have to pay for the research though. Tough issue. I'm not going to accept a .ca address as an impartial analysis. Come on man. You probably know better than anyone on this list you can make numbers say almost anything. I've also heard you complain about the Canadian system, albeit many many moons ago. I know Dana's complained too. On Feb 14, 2013 2:30 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Really? > > Not as good. Average age of death in Canada is lower, infant mortality > is lower. A 2007 meta-analysis compared health outcomes in Canada and > the US in a Canadian peer-reviewed medical journal. The study found > that "health outcomes may be superior in patients cared for in Canada > versus the United States, but differences are not consistent." > http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1 > > Then again you can look at price of medication (cheaper in Canada btw) > - or why do you think all those seniors are trying to smuggle their > meds across the border regularly. > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'd argue, and from personal experience, that Canada's health care > > system is not as good or as responsive as our own. > > > > I have an idea, you want 100% health care. Bring back mandetory > > conscription across the board. > > On Feb 14, 2013 1:43 PM, "Eric Roberts" > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> That is very untrue G. You can go to the ER, but the ER dose not > provide > >> meds if you can't afford them because you have no insurance and > >> have to > pay > >> full price. ER's just treat the immediate issue. If you have a > >> chronic illness and have no insurance, you are fucked. Not all > >> areas have > charity > >> health care systems. People with money don't die because they > >> can't > afford > >> healthcare...Period. Healthcare systems in Canada, the UK, > >> Scandanavia, and Germany have shown to be very effective. If you > >> think people in the insurance industry care if you live or die, you > >> are smoking some good > shit. > >> They have whole departments that dedicated to finding ways to deny > claims > >> so > >> you can't afford to get treatment so they can make a higher profit. > That > >> is > >> fact...not hyperbole. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:27 AM > >> To: cf-community > >> Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act > >> > >> > >> A lot of Americans WITH money die. > >> > >> This scenario often painted of Americans lying outside hospital > >> doors > and > >> dying on their doorsteps because they've been turned away, is a bit > >> of a hyperbole. Yes, the question of adequate health care for low > >> or no > income > >> citizens is a problem....it's a problem EVERYWHERE.....but the > >> American system is no more or less devoid of it's moral imperative > >> to care for > it's > >> citizens than any other country. There is no big bad group of > >> people in this country who just want to see poor people die and go > >> away. > >> > >> There are genuine differences in ideas about the best way to get > >> the > best > >> care to the most amount of people for the least amount of cost. > >> People > who > >> oppose the Affordable Care Act are NOT uncaring monsters.....they > >> are people with genuine concerns...and there are a LOT of them. > >> > >> History has shown us that giving everything to everyone simply > >> doesn't work...conversely, relying solely on "the market" to take > >> adequate care > of > >> everyone, is equally flawed because you just can't view people as > >> "commodities". > >> > >> Statements like "yeah, it really sucks that you still die in > >> America if > you > >> don't have enough money" may get you high fives as your next vegan > >> lunch date, but it's somewhat petty and myopicw hen you consider the reality. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Yeah. It really sucks that you still die in America if you don't > >> > have enough money. > >> > > >> > The US should look at the Scandinavian states and try to emulate them. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:361241 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
