all I know is that the employers say they hire illegals because
Americans don't want the work. There is probably an unspoken "at those
wages" in there, sure. This leads to the question of how much more
people are willing to pay for produce.

But my main point here is that -- based on my little bit of anecdotal
evidence in central California -- this narrative appears to be at
least somewhat true. I realize that your anecdotal evidence says
something else.

But here's an interesting point I heard made once -- if you are
Mexican and let's say a waiter, or anyone with no specially in-demand
skills, your wait for a legal visa can be up to twenty years. Not much
help when your kids are starving.

I can say this because I am Canadian, and at the time I got my green
card, had no specially in-demand skills.In fact I have had immigration
officers say to me, oh, don't worry, we are not concerned about
immigrants like you. More than a couple, over the years.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Sorge <sor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t know. Maybe because the illegals already are? I never asked them 
> that. It was not the point of my paper.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Eric Roberts <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Then why aren't they out in the fields?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:00 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: Those damn illegal activists
>>
>>
>> A few years ago, for my sociology class, I did some interviews with actual
>> homeless people for a paper I did. I interviewed 50 homeless men and women,
>> some vets, some just civilians. Out of the 50 I interviewed, 43 of them said
>> they'd break their back just to make enough to get a hot meal and a hot
>> shower and a bed to sleep in. Even if not every single night. Just a few
>> nights a week would be good. And out of the 43, 100% of the vets I talked to
>> agreed to this. The vets numbered 12.
>>
>
> 

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